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Jesus. I read this thread yesterday and it had 4 posts. 24hrs later its going on 7 pages, well done guys.
I normally would get all riled up and crush the OP for the abomination of a car, but this time Its not even worth it. All the OG guys here have taken care of that for me.
The only thing I will comment on is this: I dont get the whole lifestyle thing. If flat brims tucked in skinny jeans and big glasses with no lenses is a lifestyle (around me they call that being a tool) then sure, rock on.
Agreed that if you look at it, 90% of the people liking it are under 100 posts. A generational thing would make sense, because my generation (under 30) and the next generation are full of lazy self entitled tards. but i digress....
normally i would say "sure, i dont like it but its his car and he can mod it as he sees fit" which is still true. But I am sick of hearing the term "hater" thrown around. its just like the world, politics, cars w/e. everyone b!tches about freedom of speech/act and I can say/do w/e I want. but then as soon as someone doesnt agree or says something contrary, they get all pissed (and that goes BOTH ways).
just as you have the freedom to mod, comment, ask, post about your car, people have the right to tell you its terrible. Just like you have the right to tell us that modding for power and fat RUBBER is a waste of money. freedom of speech and opinion.
anyway, im getting off my soap box and grabbing popcorn with smurf. ill catch yall later.
I normally would get all riled up and crush the OP for the abomination of a car, but this time Its not even worth it. All the OG guys here have taken care of that for me.
The only thing I will comment on is this: I dont get the whole lifestyle thing. If flat brims tucked in skinny jeans and big glasses with no lenses is a lifestyle (around me they call that being a tool) then sure, rock on.
Agreed that if you look at it, 90% of the people liking it are under 100 posts. A generational thing would make sense, because my generation (under 30) and the next generation are full of lazy self entitled tards. but i digress....
normally i would say "sure, i dont like it but its his car and he can mod it as he sees fit" which is still true. But I am sick of hearing the term "hater" thrown around. its just like the world, politics, cars w/e. everyone b!tches about freedom of speech/act and I can say/do w/e I want. but then as soon as someone doesnt agree or says something contrary, they get all pissed (and that goes BOTH ways).
just as you have the freedom to mod, comment, ask, post about your car, people have the right to tell you its terrible. Just like you have the right to tell us that modding for power and fat RUBBER is a waste of money. freedom of speech and opinion.
anyway, im getting off my soap box and grabbing popcorn with smurf. ill catch yall later.
Got a empty seat homie.......I like dram-medy's.
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I'm fairly certain you can understand the difference here. I road race my car, but can appreciate the drag racer guys. They're interested in modifying a fast car to go fast. Might be a different type of fast, but fast nonetheless. Lowering your car, to be part of a "lifestyle" is hardly the same thing.
I Road Race my car a little as well, but that doesn't meant that I can't/won't appreciate this car. My car used to be slammed, but I raised it up to where it should sit to handle properly. I like the way it looks slammed 100000x better, but to me, looks are less important than going fast/handling well.
This pursuit Kbuss is making, IMHO, can be looked at as similar to a drag racer or road racer. The main difference is that with drag racing your objective is to do the 1/4 fastest, road race is to turn the fastest lap times. Kbuss is trying to go as low as possible. It may not be what the car was designed for (The car also wasn't designed to be a drag car either), and you may not like it...but you have to respect that he is going for it.
In the same way you don't understand why he is doing the things that he is doing, a drag racer may look at someone with an evo setup for road racing and not understand why he's done the things that he has. My car used to have a built 2.3 on a stock evo 9 turbo. to a drag racer, this may look stupid because you've upped the displacement, and kept a tiny turbo. You can't make that much power out of a stock 9 turbo. But to a Road racer this is a great setup. You make a good amount of power, and a ton of torque, especially down low.
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I Road Race my car a little as well, but that doesn't meant that I can't/won't appreciate this car. My car used to be slammed, but I raised it up to where it should sit to handle properly. I like the way it looks slammed 100000x better, but to me, looks are less important than going fast/handling well.
This pursuit Kbuss is making, IMHO, can be looked at as similar to a drag racer or road racer. The main difference is that with drag racing your objective is to do the 1/4 fastest, road race is to turn the fastest lap times. Kbuss is trying to go as low as possible. It may not be what the car was designed for (The car also wasn't designed to be a drag car either), and you may not like it...but you have to respect that he is going for it.
In the same way you don't understand why he is doing the things that he is doing, a drag racer may look at someone with an evo setup for road racing and not understand why he's done the things that he has. My car used to have a built 2.3 on a stock evo 9 turbo. to a drag racer, this may look stupid because you've upped the displacement, and kept a tiny turbo. You can't make that much power out of a stock 9 turbo. But to a Road racer this is a great setup. You make a good amount of power, and a ton of torque, especially down low.
This pursuit Kbuss is making, IMHO, can be looked at as similar to a drag racer or road racer. The main difference is that with drag racing your objective is to do the 1/4 fastest, road race is to turn the fastest lap times. Kbuss is trying to go as low as possible. It may not be what the car was designed for (The car also wasn't designed to be a drag car either), and you may not like it...but you have to respect that he is going for it.
In the same way you don't understand why he is doing the things that he is doing, a drag racer may look at someone with an evo setup for road racing and not understand why he's done the things that he has. My car used to have a built 2.3 on a stock evo 9 turbo. to a drag racer, this may look stupid because you've upped the displacement, and kept a tiny turbo. You can't make that much power out of a stock 9 turbo. But to a Road racer this is a great setup. You make a good amount of power, and a ton of torque, especially down low.
Just because someone is a drag racer doesn't mean they don't understand a different setup is needed to track a car.
The difference in this situation is he is taking a performance oriented car and doing the exact opposite to it, taking the performance out and quite possibly damaging it in the process. That is counter to common sense as it relates to a performance platform. Buying a performance vehicle and then taking the performance out is akin to buying a really fast computer and taking the Solid State Hard drive out and replace it with a spinning disc hard drive and replacing your 16GB's of ram with 4 or 8GB begging the question: "Why would you want to take a good performance platform and do performance adverse modifications to it?"
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To add:
I agree that things do get stale with a platform that has been out for a while but there is a reason why EVERYONE upgrades their exhaust, suspension, fuel pump, injectors, turbo, etc. Its because taking a performance platform and trying to enhance is part of the natural progression/hobby/fun/lifestyle whatever you want to call it.
Just being different for the sake of being different is cool, but that doesn't mean its smart. We've seen people do all types of things that are different and made fun of them because the results were less then stellar.
How is this any different then pictures posted of someone completely "ricing" their car out? Its all opinion and subjective but what is not opinion is that kbuss's plans are going to sacrifice car performance for looks. Its going to illicit a strong reaction from the user community. Good or bad. When you post this kinda stuff you have accept your gonna hear from both sides of the discussion
/soapbox
I agree that things do get stale with a platform that has been out for a while but there is a reason why EVERYONE upgrades their exhaust, suspension, fuel pump, injectors, turbo, etc. Its because taking a performance platform and trying to enhance is part of the natural progression/hobby/fun/lifestyle whatever you want to call it.
Just being different for the sake of being different is cool, but that doesn't mean its smart. We've seen people do all types of things that are different and made fun of them because the results were less then stellar.
How is this any different then pictures posted of someone completely "ricing" their car out? Its all opinion and subjective but what is not opinion is that kbuss's plans are going to sacrifice car performance for looks. Its going to illicit a strong reaction from the user community. Good or bad. When you post this kinda stuff you have accept your gonna hear from both sides of the discussion
/soapbox
Does something different with an evo. Gets flamed.
Does something overdone on an evo. Gets flamed.
People cant win these days. Its his car. Sometimes I wish I had just stopped at good suspension and basic bolt on parts... But its his car, his money, and his passion. I look forward to seeing this at H2Oi this year! Hopefully mine wont blow up on the strip again
for you sir.
Does something overdone on an evo. Gets flamed.
People cant win these days. Its his car. Sometimes I wish I had just stopped at good suspension and basic bolt on parts... But its his car, his money, and his passion. I look forward to seeing this at H2Oi this year! Hopefully mine wont blow up on the strip again
for you sir.
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The difference in this situation is he is taking a performance oriented car and doing the exact opposite to it, taking the performance out and quite possibly damaging it in the process. That is counter to common sense as it relates to a performance platform. Buying a performance vehicle and then taking the performance out is akin to buying a really fast computer and taking the Solid State Hard drive out and replace it with a spinning disc hard drive and replacing your 16GB's of ram with 4 or 8GB begging the question: "Why would you want to take a good performance platform and do performance adverse modifications to it?"
You also see this done with all kinds of cars though. S2000's, 350/370Z's, Subaru's, S13/14's, the list goes on. all of those (except maybe the Subaru's
) are platforms that also handle very well. On a side note, i think this is the most intelligent conversation i've ever had on evom. Full sentences without the use of "bro" or "dude"
"On a side note, i think this is the most intelligent conversation i've ever had on evom. Full sentences without the use of "bro" or "dude" [/QUOTE]
Sad note, your probably right.
See, maybe we should be thanking the OP, the mutually hatred has brought us all together.
On second thought, I got matches, who has the gasoline ? Flame on
[/QUOTE]Sad note, your probably right.
See, maybe we should be thanking the OP, the mutually hatred has brought us all together.
On second thought, I got matches, who has the gasoline ? Flame on
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It's slightly different than that. The car still has the same amount of power as it did. It's ultimately his choice, and if someone doesn't like it, that's their problem. Yes, they do have the right to voice their opinion, but they don't have to be rude about it.
You also see this done with all kinds of cars though. S2000's, 350/370Z's, Subaru's, S13/14's, the list goes on. all of those (except maybe the Subaru's) are platforms that also handle very well.
On a side note, i think this is the most intelligent conversation i've ever had on evom. Full sentences without the use of "bro" or "dude"
You also see this done with all kinds of cars though. S2000's, 350/370Z's, Subaru's, S13/14's, the list goes on. all of those (except maybe the Subaru's
) are platforms that also handle very well. On a side note, i think this is the most intelligent conversation i've ever had on evom. Full sentences without the use of "bro" or "dude"
Performance as it relates to his suspension setup. And yes you see it with other platforms but one could argue that those other platforms are where this trend was started......and needs to stay. LOL. All the cars you listed are inferior to the Evo platform in stock trim and when modified.
I'm always up for a good debate. I also try to make it a point to understand "where other side" is coming from. I do understand that for some really low, big wheel'd, rubber band tire, aggressive wheel and height combo's are the rage and have been for a while. Ill admit there are some cars that despite the cheap replica wheels or how illogically low they are I like aesthetically........even if its something I would never think about doing to any car I own.
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kbuss has been on this forum long enough to know this was gonna happen. What else could he say? He stated his intentions and the firestorm ensued.
If i was him I wouldn't say anything until I pulled it off and then posted the pics of the end result and watch evom's collective heads explode. LOL. It will be epic.
He'll post it, people will post about how much it was a dumb idea, then other users will come to his defense and call the people who don't like it haters, then people like me will post the same crap I posted in this thread.
Call it the EVOM circle of life (or Circle jerk if you're into that type of thing).
If i was him I wouldn't say anything until I pulled it off and then posted the pics of the end result and watch evom's collective heads explode. LOL. It will be epic.
He'll post it, people will post about how much it was a dumb idea, then other users will come to his defense and call the people who don't like it haters, then people like me will post the same crap I posted in this thread.
Call it the EVOM circle of life (or Circle jerk if you're into that type of thing).
Last edited by SmurfZilla; Jul 31, 2013 at 09:24 AM.