uhh... your pads or your rotors? sounds like your pads kept takin' it... and your rotors weren't getting rid of it...

 

That depends on which Wilwood caliper you're talking about. Some do indeed flex a lot. But the forged ones are quite stiff.

But then again, Alcon and AP Racing calipers are also notoriously flexy. This is an inherent problem with the clamshell design. The reason Stoptechs are so stiff is because they have tons of extra metal (and are, consequently, quite heavy). I have 4-piston forged Outlaw calipers on my BMW track car. They might not be as stiff, but they're practically half the weight the Stoptech's on my buddy's E46 M3. So there's a trade-off.

For the record, with upgraded master cylinder, stainless lines and these "flexy" Outlaws...my brake pedal is still as hard as a rock. It feels like stepping on a brick...it hardly moves at all. So, this is hardly an issue.

Emre

 

Well. I should have given the entire story. I had really bad pad fade 10 minutes into it, and the pads were white ash when I was done. BUT...if i would have installed some sort of air ducting before the track day I would probably had avoided most or at least some of it.

Here is what I think you may be missing. The longer it takes a pad to slow me, the hotter it gets. I am on the brake much less with Ferodo than I am with Titan Kai, therefore the pad stays cooler.

I left my DS3000's on my car on the street for a week (lazy) and at the end of the week my slotted rotors weren't slotted anymore.

 

hmmm so my question is what kinda pad is the titan kai? cuz it sure squeels like a track pad... but you're telln' me it won't hold up :[. i like 'em so far... but i haven't tracked yet nad they're not wearing things down too much.

 

Well they are supposed to be a track pad, but I used them on the street too. They squeal like a ****, but on the track the fell short. They slightly chewed my rotors on the street, but not bad.

I have about 400HP to the wheels though so that may have something to do with them not holding up on the track. The configuration was the worst on brakes you can get at that track. I do know others that are happy with them, but I think they are less apt to apply threshold braking time after time, lap after lap as I do.

My style seems to work best with a pad with REALLY high co-efficient such as the DS3000.

http://www.ferodo.co.uk/ferodo_home/motorsports.html

 

do you feel the ds3000s are like the titan kais that the bite ramps up... i know the pfs are lubricated so that the bite is linear not has easy to lock up the wheels... i don't like the braking ramp... what's your thoughts?

 

They are not at all the same. The DS3000's are really easy to modulate in a good braking system, but they are super aggressive. You don't need the pedal pressure to slow the car that you may be used to, but they don't ramp up, nor fade. Honestly the best serious race pad I've used. THe Titan Kai's felt more like the DS2500's...more of a street pad that can hold up (allegedly) at the track.

 

Thats sick as hell man

 

I run these Brembos on the S2000. Slotted not drilled, they work awesome with the DS3000's.

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produc...d/Brembo_Indy/

 

ok fine this is how i see it:

You have brembo's on your car right now, great brakes. You want to upgrade, why would u get brembo again? Don't get me wrong, they make great brakes BUT they're are much better brakes out there than them, brembo is 1999, welcome to 2005.

I do not think anyone would disagree with me that alcon brakes are top notch, but just cost a heftyyy price tag.

The stop-tech brakes are not much diferent from rotora, rotora brakes are not bad i had a set before, but i would not put them in the category as one of the best.

Now the rest, such as the mu, endless and grex are all about the same. The mu have the piston per pad set-up which is very nice, although pads do go quickly and are about 300 bucks. Grex has 6piston kits for your car i believe, they're kits are remarkebly good, but also pad life is short and expensive. The brake fade for them are about the same as these are die hard racing kits. The endless, i haven't known any1 with a set yet to drive, so when my endless kit gets here in about 3 weeks, i'll let you guys know how they are.

as far as willwood goes, i wouldn't buy their kits for my car if they paid me. If you guys do not want a kit for bling or die hard tracker, your stock brembos are great. Just get some better rotors, pads and lines with some better brake fluid. There's no need for you to change out calipers if you're going drag or something. so with that said i stick with my opinion, that mu, endless,alcon and grex are the best out there.

 

I respect your opinion, but if you think the endless you have coming are markedly better than my brembo's on the S2k, well...then your opinion will not be one I seek for useful information, but I respect it nonetheless. "Brembo is 1999" pretty much sums up your knowledge of braking. I think Stevie Wonder has a better chance of giving an accurate opinion on Pamela Anderson's cans than you have of giving anybody useful information on brakes.

 

STOPTECH seems to have better value than the JDM alternatives (e.g. Endless) though For the price of a caliper kit from Endless, you can get a caliper+rotor kit from STOPTECH. It was a convincing argument to me when trying to decide on a front caliper upgrade.

 

i think my endless are a whole lot better than brembo's, brembo's are overrated and there are much better out there. I siad they're 1999 because that's when every1 only knew about brembo's and that's all they wanted. Lemme guess, you have the gran turismo set-up on your s2k?

 

Just because most of the "JDM" brake kits are totally overpriced doesn't make Stoptech a good deal The stock Brembos are more than enough for just about everyone on this board. Add some cooling ducts, s.s. lines, good pads and fluid, plus a decent 2-piece rotor and you're all set for hardcore track use.

If you insist on massive calipers, you can get 6-piston, forged, radial mount Wilwoods for a fraction of the cost of Endless and all the "JDM" crap. Serously, no one on this board needs more than that! When NASCAR guys run road courses with their 3000lbs, 600+ monsters these are the calipers they use. If they can last hours at the Glen in the hands of some of the country's best road circuit racers, I think they should be good enough for you at your next NASA school!

Emre

 

ok, you got my attention . I checked Wilwood's site, and all I found was pads & discs. Do you know if they offer bolt on calipers for the Evo? Lots of calipers on the site, but none that have the Evo listed as an application.