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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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yeah but notice how the version they used is not the cheapest one which in this case does not compare stock-to-stock with the GSR. They're using Touring with the MatchRev-6-gear-manual tranny whateverthe heck its called. I guess the discussion could end by saying that the base newest Z simply cannot outperform the Evo X... while the top of the line equals it performance-wise..... right? I guess huh
No.

Doesn't matter if they're using a Touring or not... the wheels/tires/etc. are part of the Sport Package, which is available on the "base" 370Z. The SynchroRev only works when downshifting, and therefore doesn't affect straightline speed.

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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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I think a 370z vs 135i comparo would be way more interesting.
I'm tired of all this evo is the best car ever when modded stuff, whether it be x, ix, viii, or vi tm.
I'm just wondering how the Z will be able to put down the power when people start modding to 500whp stock block.. That engine's pretty strong
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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You guys are under major Nissan hasn't made a decent car since the R34. There main goal now is to take your money and give you an ok car to get to point a & b. Stop thinking that Nissan is a better car, The Z lost its edge since there new CEO, he doesn't give a crap about performance just making it look fast with a butt load chrome.

The new Z's are being built and designed in USA not Japan like the X there using American engineres and marketers to appeal the the US market not globally like the X. The 350z and 370z are nothing but watered down corvettes for the US public while the guys who engineered the car wouldn't even drive one to work even if they gave it to them. Just wait and see how many 370Z owners think there driving a F40 and understeer off the cliff.

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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jwoods986
I believe the 4.6 was an '06 IX MR, they got 5.0 with an X GSR. And, like you mention, from a roll - forget it! That 5.0 drops to a 6.6 in a 5-60 rolling start.
First off, you can't look at 5-60 as a means of quantifying a roll race. While agreed that the Z will still take the X from a roll, nobody races from 5 mph because that would put the rpms well below the power band even in the Z. Most people do a roll from 20 mph, and that puts both cars in an optimal rpm range to see which car is really faster. All cars are slow from 5 mph until the torque curve develops. Secondly, no, the 4.6 was for the X, matching the 06 IX they tested. The average seems to be about 4.9, but it really depends on how the car is driven.

Car and driver said that shifting at 7600 (fuel cut) was the only way to achieve the best times. Most magazines testers shift at redline, unaware of how to get the best times out of the X. Then take into account that the Z with the sport package is like 3380 lbs, which is only about 100 lbs lighter than a base GSR. Either way, as I've said before, the X is a better platform for modding and will be much easier and cheaper to get big power out of, so deciding between these two cars really comes down to what you want to do with them because they both have pros and cons.
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
First off, you can't look at 5-60 as a means of quantifying a roll race. While agreed that the Z will still take the X from a roll, nobody races from 5 mph because that would put the rpms well below the power band even in the Z. Most people do a roll from 20 mph, and that puts both cars in an optimal rpm range to see which car is really faster. All cars are slow from 5 mph until the torque curve develops. Secondly, no, the 4.6 was for the X, matching the 06 IX they tested. The average seems to be about 4.9, but it really depends on how the car is driven.

Car and driver said that shifting at 7600 (fuel cut) was the only way to achieve the best times. Most magazines testers shift at redline, unaware of how to get the best times out of the X. Then take into account that the Z with the sport package is like 3380 lbs, which is only about 100 lbs lighter than a base GSR. Either way, as I've said before, the X is a better platform for modding and will be much easier and cheaper to get big power out of, so deciding between these two cars really comes down to what you want to do with them because they both have pros and cons.
Are you sure about the shifting at redline thing? I'm just asking cuz I don't know for sure, I would think they would at least try different shift points... I don't remember, but don't you have to stretch past 7k to hit 60mph anyway without shifting to third? And then I assumed they would keep shifting at similar shift points.
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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You guys are under major Nissan hasn't made a decent car since the R34. There main goal now is to take your money and give you an ok car to get to point a & b. Stop thinking that Nissan is a better car, The Z lost its edge since there new CEO, he doesn't give a crap about performance just making it look fast with a butt load chrome.

The new Z's are being built and designed in USA not Japan like the X there using American engineres and marketers to appeal the the US market not globally like the X. The 350z and 370z are nothing but watered down corvettes for the US public while the guys who engineered the car wouldn't even drive one to work even if they gave it to them. Just wait and see how many 370Z owners think there driving a F40 and understeer off the cliff.

sorry: yes im a mental retarded
Judging from your post... yes you most certainly are.
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
No.

Doesn't matter if they're using a Touring or not... the wheels/tires/etc. are part of the Sport Package, which is available on the "base" 370Z. The SynchroRev only works when downshifting, and therefore doesn't affect straightline speed.
Well, the sport package includes an LSD and between that and the larger, heavier wheels, tires, and brakes, it adds a considerable chunk of weight to the car which DOES have an effect on straightline speed. The sport package is a must have option for the car, but it does have it's drawbacks. You need to realize that the Z is NOT the superior performance machine compared to the X though, as it's really depends on the course and driver. On a fast course, the Z has the power to weight advantage and similar grip to the X.

On a tight course, the X has a bit more grip and because of the AWD system, can be driven harder in and out of corners and switchbacks that would upset a RWD car. Lastly, the 4b11 is a more robust engine than the VQ37 and is built to handle stress levels that an NA engine just simply is not. It is simply easier and cheaper to get power out of a good turbo engine than an NA engine, and more reliable as well. Unless you want to spend a **** ton of money on the Z, the X is just a better platform.

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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
the 4.6 was for the X, matching the 06 IX they tested.
so the X GSR 5 speed is faster 0-60 then the IX MR 6 speed...?
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
Are you sure about the shifting at redline thing? I'm just asking cuz I don't know for sure, I would think they would at least try different shift points... I don't remember, but don't you have to stretch past 7k to hit 60mph anyway without shifting to third? And then I assumed they would keep shifting at similar shift points.
That's exactly why some magazines recorded slower 0-60 times initially, because they were shifting into 3rd at redline rather than going to 7600 (max revs before fuel cut), which would allow the X to hit 60 while still in second. Just go to car and driver if you want to find the article. If it's not still up there, I have the actual magazine so I can scan it if nothing else.
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
That's exactly why some magazines recorded slower 0-60 times initially, because they were shifting into 3rd at redline rather than going to 7600 (max revs before fuel cut), which would allow the X to hit 60 while still in second. Just go to car and driver if you want to find the article. If it's not still up there, I have the actual magazine so I can scan it if nothing else.
Sooo to be faster in the X one must rev pass the redline? uhmm isn't that bad for the engine? if the car was meant to shift there safely wouldnt they like put the redline to begin after this sweet spot??
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Aar0nsite
so the X GSR 5 speed is faster 0-60 then the IX MR 6 speed...?
I don't know about the MR, but the 06 IX put down a 4.6 in car and driver's test, and the X matched it. They said that the weight difference wasn't enough to make a difference in that shot burst of speed, but by the end of the 1/4 mile it reared it's ugly head. Part of it is the gear ratios necessitating that the X be shifted into 5th right before the 1320 mark, which screws the times on it's own and then you add in the weight and well... I'll try to find the article on their website, but if it's not still up there, I have the actual magazine so I'll scan it if you want to see for yourself.
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aar0nsite
Sooo to be faster in the X one must rev pass the redline? uhmm isn't that bad for the engine? if the car was meant to shift there safely wouldnt they like put the redline to begin after this sweet spot??
No, the purpose of fuel cut is to prevent damage to the engine, so mitsu obviously placed it at 7600 because they felt that that was the MAX safe shift point. Redline in many cases is more of a recommended rpm spot to try to stay below if the engine is going to be in that rpm range for extended periods of time.
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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wow... then them gears is something mitsu could fix for the 09 x! n maybe do something bout the weight!

btw i heard that in Japan they dont have an X that is officially called MR... so maybe when they do release their MR, i thing they might fix those issues.... might be lighter and a better ratio-ed tranny! i hope... this would be a kick azz X!
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by STi2EvoX
That's exactly why some magazines recorded slower 0-60 times initially, because they were shifting into 3rd at redline rather than going to 7600 (max revs before fuel cut), which would allow the X to hit 60 while still in second. Just go to car and driver if you want to find the article. If it's not still up there, I have the actual magazine so I can scan it if nothing else.
Oh ok.. I just assumed the earlier 0-60's were poorer because it didn't have that factory reflash, and afterwards Mitsu supplied ones that were.
I really really thought testers would shift past redline at times, esp for 0-60 but more just if they found it was more beneficial...
C&D may not have done it, but Motortrend always has pretty strong acceleration numbers... Well shrug I dunno lol don't really care..



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