See how easy that was guys...????
you moderators could learn a thing or two from me.....
just kidding......
much respect......

 

I hope nobody was holding their breath when he went to the garage. We'd have a few people blue in the face.

I know it's not completely related, but do ANY companies make easily swappable engines aside from H&A and Nissan (in some cases)?

 

M3, I'm not a moderator. Hell, I've only been around since April. But, it's really really easy to just keep calm, and say that it is possible with massive, massive amounts of money and tons of down time the FIRST 500 TIMES THE QUESTION IS ASKED! I know that you were joking, but, I've seen this question SO many times.. in all of it's variations, and the answer EVERY SINGLE ******* TIME is that it simply is not cost effective!

Hell, I get tired of answering the questions about the 4G64 swap option because of the fact that the Outland has it.

Look, you can't even swap all the same components of the 4G63s between the different Generations of Eclipses and Evolutions due to things like the location of the starter module, the direction the camshafts spin, or the way the transmission sets up. I mean, damn. It can be done, but, you're talking about taking the WHOLE drivetrain of an Evolution (yes Evolution because that way you wouldn't have to worry about having TOO many custom engine/transmission mounts). What about the Eclipse, you say? Well, here's the deal, skippy. You'd need the whole front end from pretty much the exact same car, plus you'd have to have a TON of custom work done to fit it in, mount it, and get the power to the ground. You're talking about 10-15K+ worth of parts and labor AT LEAST. So, go for it. But, while you're at it, I could use about 6K to get a turbo, upgrade the stock internals, and pump the boost up to double digits, and get the power to the ground. If that doesn't smoke a Stock GS-T (which is basically the performance you'd be getting... less since the Lancer is probably heavier), I'll eat my Doc Martens.

 

Oh, and don't forget about having to change around the interior in order to control the transmission... if you wouldn't need a bigger transmission hump.

 

right on.

the fact is, thinking that you have your lancer at max performance and the only way to get better is to swap...well than you are very misinformed. HOWEVER, if you just want to swap because you have more money than bill gates and more time on your hands than a guy who has a lot of time on his hands....than go for it.

 

Fact is that a turbo on the present engine will more than likely provide more performance per dollar than a swap. I mean, consider this. You're spending close to the price of a whole new Lancer for the performance of a STOCK 4G63. That means that you will have to spend even more on top of that theoretical 10-15K to just get to where most DSMers are after buying a used car and throwing on a custom catback. I mean, really, it's just ridiculous.

 

Favorite part about the Evo AWD swap: getting an AWD Cedia underbody so the Evo's rear driveshaft has a place to nuzzle up into. That and the relocation of the gas tank! Need to dig up b's old threads about it. Terribly informative they were.

 

Quick question... why did you talk backwards like Yoda in that last sentance?

 

when 900 years old, you become, look as good, you will not. hmmph?

 

OT: I know Paul's smart, and I consider him as something of a mentor as well as a friend, but... I'd say his more on the Ben Kenobi level... I have yet to meet a Yoda...

Back on topic now, boys, and an end to the extreme nerdiness.

Andrew, I believe that you sent me a website that detailed a "swap" for a more closely related mitsubishi products, and it just was insane the amount of things to consider. Post it up here, and keep in mind that the leap between an Evo/Eclipse is much much greater than the two cars that are detailed.

 

well mr know it all I have the motor in the car. the GS Eclipse motor does fit AZZ I said it would the only problem is the radiator I'm not sure if the fan will still fit. and i doesn't cost that much, AZZ! like I said B4 I'm not doing it because I think my motor is topped out shyt if anything I know I got a long way to go for this motor to be totally done! I just wanted to see if it would fit so just in case if and when I do send my motor out to worked on I will still have my lancer to ride in because it looks OK. DAMN thats all, unfortunately I don't have all the money in the world but if I know I can get a motor for dirt cheap! Shyt I'm gonna grab it in a heart beat. The motors aren't expensive and I do work on my cars myself. thats how my shyt gets done. Unfortunately you guys don't work on your cars yourself, you go and pay someone to rape your pockets for your hard earned money. ----------------------------- wait a minute I'm one of those guys that get payed off of loser like you so I guess instead of being a di*k I should say thanx for your money. 10 to 15k HA I laugh at that. In my Mirage I payed $100 for the gs-t motor thats gay cheap, and the car runs 12's with no add ons. AND BY THE WAY I DO HAVE PICS OF THE SWAP TO THE LANCER. and also to end this B.S. My car isn't as heavy as the stock Lancer. stock weighs about 2700 to 3000lbs my car with driver weighs exactly 2526lbs.

 

well then lets see the pics buddy...ooo wait i bet you have to go to your friends house and scan them...yeah ok....and I do all of the work on my car myself.

 

if you do the work on your car yourself, why did you say you you have to :"send my motor out to worked on"

just wondering. i don't know how to do an engine swap, i guess that makes me a bad person. do you know how to fabricate an IC from photolithography to metallization? if you don't, i won't think less of you.

 

arent the gs motors only like 90 something hp? i wanna see the pics asap! sounds like an interesting project--but theres gotta be something wrong..it just sounds odd for an eclipse engine to go in a lancer

off topic.. nice avatar cupoznj

 

Enjoy the nightmare and please don't resort to name calling. Check the forum rules if you don't know why or what I'm talking about.

It will fit in that there is physically enough volume for both engines. Don't expect 1. the transmission to fit. 2. the ECU to work unless you get a 4g63 ECU. 3. your harnesses to fit. 4. your belts to fit.

Then depending upon whether you use the NA variant or turbocharged you can realize that you could have had MORE horsepower for LESS money AND effort if you stuck with the existing engine. 4g63t will leave you needing a near clutch most likely even running at stock boost. And if you pick the NA enjoy the extra what? 40hp? Then if/when you fit the turbocharger and everything else remember that you're going to have to have all your piping and possibly other parts custom made.

Good luck. You're going to need it. I hope for your sake that you are, or have a good mechanic with copious amounts of time. Not to mention a spare car. And I can't stress enough how you have not even begin to touch the limits of the 4g94 despite your feeling you've maxed it out with probably and intake, header, exhaust and N20.