$8000 for low 12s????
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Who said 12s? I run 12.1. I ran "12s" with just an S-AFC. If I were really good, I would have hit 12s stock, but my 13.1 was with a 1.92 60' due to the 5k launch limiter.
Please, find me these "plenty of people" who have little mods done to their MRs and run 12.1. I would absolutely LOVE to see this list. Considering we already HAVE a list of top MRs on the EvoMR board, and the only other two to hit 12.0 and 12.1 both have cams and a LOT MORE done to theirs, I would tend to think you have no f'n clue what you're talking about. The next closest guy to do anything significant with as few mods is DragNRacing with a 12.34 at 108.9, and he's definitely no slouch. His times aren't normal either.
Making up things on the fly is not your forte'...
Please, find me these "plenty of people" who have little mods done to their MRs and run 12.1. I would absolutely LOVE to see this list. Considering we already HAVE a list of top MRs on the EvoMR board, and the only other two to hit 12.0 and 12.1 both have cams and a LOT MORE done to theirs, I would tend to think you have no f'n clue what you're talking about. The next closest guy to do anything significant with as few mods is DragNRacing with a 12.34 at 108.9, and he's definitely no slouch. His times aren't normal either.
Making up things on the fly is not your forte'...
oh i forgot, it is a requirement that when you purchase a MR is you must post on EVOm. you got me, you are the EVO MR GOD! put that in your sig.
[QUOTE=Warrtalon]Who said 12s? I run 12.1. I ran "12s" with just an S-AFC. If I were really good, I would have hit 12s stock, but my 13.1 was with a 1.92 60' due to the 5k launch limiter.
i didn't know there was a spearate 12.1 club out there either
you do need to be a GURU on here.
i didn't know there was a spearate 12.1 club out there either
you do need to be a GURU on here.
[QUOTE=mdzuricky77]
You'd have to be a moron not to see a difference between 12.1 and 12.9. There is a stark contrast between the two, yet you try to lump them both together as if they are equally achievable. I'm still waiting on that list of people who hit 12s with just an S-AFC...or those who hit 12.2 with a cat-back. Oh, how about the MRs that have hit 12.1 with my minimal mods? Yeah, I didn't think so. Instead of providing facts to back up your argument, you just deflect the question and type "LOL" like some AOL punk.
None of your last 4-5 posts made any sense. Is it that hard to put them all in one or what? 4Tun8 has a flash, so how would I tune him? I know how to tune an S-AFC, but if a guy has a flash, what the hell am I going to do? That was a retarded question from you on that one. This guy had his stuff before we even met...
Why does one have to be a "guru" to help? I came on late, since I have an 05, and I don't know as much as someone like MalibuJack, but I certainly do my best to help in the drag racing and S-AFC forums. I don't see any logic in only the titled "gurus" being able to provide help or being able to really good help at that...
You continually refer to blowing my car away with yours, yet you will have spent 28k on it. I fail to see how that is something worth bragging about...
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Who said 12s? I run 12.1. I ran "12s" with just an S-AFC. If I were really good, I would have hit 12s stock, but my 13.1 was with a 1.92 60' due to the 5k launch limiter.
i didn't know there was a spearate 12.1 club out there either
you do need to be a GURU on here.
i didn't know there was a spearate 12.1 club out there either
you do need to be a GURU on here.
None of your last 4-5 posts made any sense. Is it that hard to put them all in one or what? 4Tun8 has a flash, so how would I tune him? I know how to tune an S-AFC, but if a guy has a flash, what the hell am I going to do? That was a retarded question from you on that one. This guy had his stuff before we even met...
Why does one have to be a "guru" to help? I came on late, since I have an 05, and I don't know as much as someone like MalibuJack, but I certainly do my best to help in the drag racing and S-AFC forums. I don't see any logic in only the titled "gurus" being able to provide help or being able to really good help at that...
You continually refer to blowing my car away with yours, yet you will have spent 28k on it. I fail to see how that is something worth bragging about...
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i have been reading this for a bit and have a few things to say.... not FLAMING anyone just making some comments.
now i dont go to the track much, but the last time i was there they didnt have brackets for "I spent > $1500 "/ "I spent < $1500 ".
either way, what is is important to YOU is all that should matter to you. if you are honestly concerned that people are getting ripped off or are just spending money in areas that could be better spent, then offer advice as to how to help, dont just say they are stupid for doing so if you know a better way: give some examples of what you did to save money/tell where you bought the parts at a cheaper price/etc. ( not saying that you havent done that before, but not all with search your previous posts and look for your advice, hell some dont even search AT ALL. )
some people just cant be persuaded to even see what you are getting at, some people are able to understand and still do things their own way, and others are appreciative of the help and actually follow advice given to them. i come on here for help and just trying to get as much knowledge of my car that i can. i realize that this IS the internet, so not all are going to know what the hell they are talking about.
spend lots of money? or go low budget? both ways have been successful in getting the car down the strip and around the track. both have been successful in having a car that is fun to drive for the owner.
if you are concerned with winning at the end of the day, which one is gonna get you the win:
i only spent $$$$
or
i have the lower time.
just like there is always someone faster, there is usually AT LEAST one person willing to spend more money than you too.
warrtalon: congrats on having a fast car with minimal money spent. all are not so fortunate to have such driving skills/ an 05 MR/ ability to mod the car yourself and save money. ( this is NOT sarcastic, just saying congrats )
now i dont go to the track much, but the last time i was there they didnt have brackets for "I spent > $1500 "/ "I spent < $1500 ".
either way, what is is important to YOU is all that should matter to you. if you are honestly concerned that people are getting ripped off or are just spending money in areas that could be better spent, then offer advice as to how to help, dont just say they are stupid for doing so if you know a better way: give some examples of what you did to save money/tell where you bought the parts at a cheaper price/etc. ( not saying that you havent done that before, but not all with search your previous posts and look for your advice, hell some dont even search AT ALL. )
some people just cant be persuaded to even see what you are getting at, some people are able to understand and still do things their own way, and others are appreciative of the help and actually follow advice given to them. i come on here for help and just trying to get as much knowledge of my car that i can. i realize that this IS the internet, so not all are going to know what the hell they are talking about.
spend lots of money? or go low budget? both ways have been successful in getting the car down the strip and around the track. both have been successful in having a car that is fun to drive for the owner.
if you are concerned with winning at the end of the day, which one is gonna get you the win:
i only spent $$$$
or
i have the lower time.
just like there is always someone faster, there is usually AT LEAST one person willing to spend more money than you too.
warrtalon: congrats on having a fast car with minimal money spent. all are not so fortunate to have such driving skills/ an 05 MR/ ability to mod the car yourself and save money. ( this is NOT sarcastic, just saying congrats )
Originally Posted by jay_are
either way, what is is important to YOU is all that should matter to you. if you are honestly concerned that people are getting ripped off or are just spending money in areas that could be better spent, then offer advice as to how to help, dont just say they are stupid for doing so if you know a better way: give some examples of what you did to save money/tell where you bought the parts at a cheaper price/etc. ( not saying that you havent done that before, but not all with search your previous posts and look for your advice, hell some dont even search AT ALL. )
The problem with the question about who spent the least or who is faster is not really relevant here. I didn't ever say there was anything wrong with spending MORE money on your car. I know that just because _I_ am not willing to drop big bucks on my car, it doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that it's dumb to spend a lot MORE money and not go ANY FASTER than someone who spent a lot LESS money. This guy spent 10k to go 11.9. I spent $900 to go 12.2. I have now upgraded the clutch, so my overall expenditures on parts and labor is closer to $2k, but now I'm knocking on the door of 11s and am still far, far below what he has spent. After he dumps another 18k, will his car be MUCH faster? Yes. Could I match him if I wanted to by spending less than half of 28k? Hell, even a quarter of 28k (7k). That's my point. I try to help people see that just spending money on expensive, blingy parts is not the best way to go fast. It's their prerogative if they want to spend that money anyway, but it's not very smart...
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I agree, which is why I DO offer advice all the time. I have 40 PMs in my inbox from people who requested specific, personal help. The rest of the time, I just write it in responses to threads I see. A lot of people don't care and waste their money anyway, but there are some who see the light and change direction so as to get the most out of their money.
The problem with the question about who spent the least or who is faster is not really relevant here. I didn't ever say there was anything wrong with spending MORE money on your car. I know that just because _I_ am not willing to drop big bucks on my car, it doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that it's dumb to spend a lot MORE money and not go ANY FASTER than someone who spent a lot LESS money. This guy spent 10k to go 11.9. I spent $900 to go 12.2. I have now upgraded the clutch, so my overall expenditures on parts and labor is closer to $2k, but now I'm knocking on the door of 11s and am still far, far below what he has spent. After he dumps another 18k, will his car be MUCH faster? Yes. Could I match him if I wanted to by spending less than half of 28k? Hell, even a quarter of 28k (7k). That's my point. I try to help people see that just spending money on expensive, blingy parts is not the best way to go fast. It's their prerogative if they want to spend that money anyway, but it's not very smart...
The problem with the question about who spent the least or who is faster is not really relevant here. I didn't ever say there was anything wrong with spending MORE money on your car. I know that just because _I_ am not willing to drop big bucks on my car, it doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that it's dumb to spend a lot MORE money and not go ANY FASTER than someone who spent a lot LESS money. This guy spent 10k to go 11.9. I spent $900 to go 12.2. I have now upgraded the clutch, so my overall expenditures on parts and labor is closer to $2k, but now I'm knocking on the door of 11s and am still far, far below what he has spent. After he dumps another 18k, will his car be MUCH faster? Yes. Could I match him if I wanted to by spending less than half of 28k? Hell, even a quarter of 28k (7k). That's my point. I try to help people see that just spending money on expensive, blingy parts is not the best way to go fast. It's their prerogative if they want to spend that money anyway, but it's not very smart...
i agree. but he did say that some of the money he is talking about went towards REPLACING BROKEN PARTS. ( which is great that someone is actually counting that money when they talk about modding their car ). not alot of people do that. most consider that outside the realm of "modding" and dont include it. props to him for saying that. because with modding comes broken parts. no real way around that at certain points. and with a little bad luck, no way around it at all.
i try and read and reread these type of threads so as to see what went wrong and how to avoid it. i am currently in the market for a turbo upgrade myself, and the more i read the better i feel about the direction that i am going to take. i usually dont pm people ( mostly as to not annoy with questions that can be answered with a simple search ). but i hate to see people that can offer REAL advice and GOOD solutions to upgrade paths argue over such things. although sometimes funny, not usually helpful to the original thread starter and searchers like myself. but a good laugh is always appreciated, whether intended or not.
i will pm you with my probable path and pm me back with your opinion. always interested to get a 2nd....3rd....80th opinion.
Originally Posted by jay_are
i agree. but he did say that some of the money he is talking about went towards REPLACING BROKEN PARTS. ( which is great that someone is actually counting that money when they talk about modding their car ). not alot of people do that. most consider that outside the realm of "modding" and dont include it. props to him for saying that. because with modding comes broken parts. no real way around that at certain points. and with a little bad luck, no way around it at all.
i try and read and reread these type of threads so as to see what went wrong and how to avoid it. i am currently in the market for a turbo upgrade myself, and the more i read the better i feel about the direction that i am going to take. i usually dont pm people ( mostly as to not annoy with questions that can be answered with a simple search ). but i hate to see people that can offer REAL advice and GOOD solutions to upgrade paths argue over such things. although sometimes funny, not usually helpful to the original thread starter and searchers like myself. but a good laugh is always appreciated, whether intended or not.
i will pm you with my probable path and pm me back with your opinion. always interested to get a 2nd....3rd....80th opinion.
i try and read and reread these type of threads so as to see what went wrong and how to avoid it. i am currently in the market for a turbo upgrade myself, and the more i read the better i feel about the direction that i am going to take. i usually dont pm people ( mostly as to not annoy with questions that can be answered with a simple search ). but i hate to see people that can offer REAL advice and GOOD solutions to upgrade paths argue over such things. although sometimes funny, not usually helpful to the original thread starter and searchers like myself. but a good laugh is always appreciated, whether intended or not.
i will pm you with my probable path and pm me back with your opinion. always interested to get a 2nd....3rd....80th opinion.
I have much more patience with PMs, because then people are making a concerted effort to get specific help, as opposed to just randomly blurting out idiocy in a public forum and wasting everyone's time. The same goes for when I'm helping people in person at local tracks. They're out there TRYING hard, so I give advice on how to put that effort to better use.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
I agree, which is why I DO offer advice all the time. I have 40 PMs in my inbox from people who requested specific, personal help. The rest of the time, I just write it in responses to threads I see. A lot of people don't care and waste their money anyway, but there are some who see the light and change direction so as to get the most out of their money.
The problem with the question about who spent the least or who is faster is not really relevant here. I didn't ever say there was anything wrong with spending MORE money on your car. I know that just because _I_ am not willing to drop big bucks on my car, it doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that it's dumb to spend a lot MORE money and not go ANY FASTER than someone who spent a lot LESS money. This guy spent 10k to go 11.9. I spent $900 to go 12.2. I have now upgraded the clutch, so my overall expenditures on parts and labor is closer to $2k, but now I'm knocking on the door of 11s and am still far, far below what he has spent. After he dumps another 18k, will his car be MUCH faster? Yes. Could I match him if I wanted to by spending less than half of 28k? Hell, even a quarter of 28k (7k). That's my point. I try to help people see that just spending money on expensive, blingy parts is not the best way to go fast. It's their prerogative if they want to spend that money anyway, but it's not very smart...
The problem with the question about who spent the least or who is faster is not really relevant here. I didn't ever say there was anything wrong with spending MORE money on your car. I know that just because _I_ am not willing to drop big bucks on my car, it doesn't mean others aren't. The point is that it's dumb to spend a lot MORE money and not go ANY FASTER than someone who spent a lot LESS money. This guy spent 10k to go 11.9. I spent $900 to go 12.2. I have now upgraded the clutch, so my overall expenditures on parts and labor is closer to $2k, but now I'm knocking on the door of 11s and am still far, far below what he has spent. After he dumps another 18k, will his car be MUCH faster? Yes. Could I match him if I wanted to by spending less than half of 28k? Hell, even a quarter of 28k (7k). That's my point. I try to help people see that just spending money on expensive, blingy parts is not the best way to go fast. It's their prerogative if they want to spend that money anyway, but it's not very smart...
look this post is getting beat down so let me clarify something that you keep bringing up.
i have spent around 10k on my evo since day one BUT NOT ALL MODS!!
These are my mods and I may forget some considering i havent been around it in almost a year but here it goes:
272in/264ex hks cams 700
tomei cam gear off set to what i cant remember 325
720cc greddy injectors 350
fuel pump 255 100
3in turboback exhaust 1000
aem intake hard pipe 200
ams intercooler 800
aem ems w/wideband 1700 clutch 1800
short shifter 150
ok adds up to $7,125
now my time still isnt that good to me but at commerace in atlanta if you dont have a cage and hit 11 then you are booted. that was my first and only run that night. i tried running again by maco georgia but my tranny was too shot. i managed to pull a similiar time and have no idea how considering i was missing every gear cause of my damaged syncs. now stuff is one cheaper now a days minuse the aem ems and also you have a more effecient turbo than i do so i have to do more to get more. my stock turbo has not been touched what so ever.
sorry but bottom line is that i dont think i got ripped of or spent too much. i also think that a 12 is a twelve and an 11 is an 11 but these are both opinions of ours. so instead of calling people stupid or not smart as you stated be the smart guy you are and offer kind advice. most people tend to not get so defensive that way. sorry but if someone who doesnt know me at all calls me "not smart" then im going to react in a negative way. if you cant understand what i say then i cant help you any further. so good luck with ur not so costy build and ill stick with my expensive gt35r build up. it seems we are in two different leagues of building, but i want the big power and will pay what i must. i just dont think i should be clowned for that. see ya
matt
[QUOTE=Warrtalon]Yes, the 10k includes broken parts, just as my 2k includes broken parts. There's still no comparison, though...
my breaks were my engine and my tranny both of which are expensive breaks.
my breaks were my engine and my tranny both of which are expensive breaks.
Originally Posted by mdzuricky77
my breaks were my engine and my tranny both of which are expensive breaks.
Lesson learned:
1. If it's not Warrtalon's way it's the wrong way.
2. If you spent more money than him and can't run as good or better times then him, you must suck.
3. If you went any other route than him than your stupid.
4. You will never win a word jousting battle with him because he will be 100 years old and still be right. He will argue till he's blue in the face and one foot in the grave.
5. Warrtalon is the man, everybody bow down to him. He is the allmighty Warrtalon, drag racing guru, and he should start a cult to follow him around and listen to his beliefs.
1. If it's not Warrtalon's way it's the wrong way.
2. If you spent more money than him and can't run as good or better times then him, you must suck.
3. If you went any other route than him than your stupid.
4. You will never win a word jousting battle with him because he will be 100 years old and still be right. He will argue till he's blue in the face and one foot in the grave.
5. Warrtalon is the man, everybody bow down to him. He is the allmighty Warrtalon, drag racing guru, and he should start a cult to follow him around and listen to his beliefs.
just for the record I can see both sides. Warralton has a point that u should get the most out of your mods..if you're into drag racing its obviously important to work on your 60 foot time and your shifting in order to minimize your time HOWEVER it doesnt mean that you cant both get the most out of your mods that way AND have more mods. Warralton for you..you're a good driver with minimal mods so you have low 12's. someone with a lot of mods but isnt a good driver also has 12's. The thing is warralton you could obviously get more mods and run faster..and the people with more mods can run faster (in a 1/4 mile) by learning how to drive better however who's car is actually faster? most likely the person with more mods so when highway driving or just free spirit driving in back roads and whatnot the car with more mods will probably be more fun to drive and pull harder. Its awesome that warralton can drag so well especially since he says that he only does it to test his car's ability, but also a lot of people just want a fast car not necessariliy a fast 1/4 mile time..
ps. (off topic) warralton what was your rank and MOS when you were in the marines? just curious as I'm also in the military.
ps. (off topic) warralton what was your rank and MOS when you were in the marines? just curious as I'm also in the military.
Originally Posted by redevo8driver
just for the record I can see both sides. Warralton has a point that u should get the most out of your mods..if you're into drag racing its obviously important to work on your 60 foot time and your shifting in order to minimize your time HOWEVER it doesnt mean that you cant both get the most out of your mods that way AND have more mods. Warralton for you..you're a good driver with minimal mods so you have low 12's. someone with a lot of mods but isnt a good driver also has 12's. The thing is warralton you could obviously get more mods and run faster..and the people with more mods can run faster (in a 1/4 mile) by learning how to drive better however who's car is actually faster? most likely the person with more mods so when highway driving or just free spirit driving in back roads and whatnot the car with more mods will probably be more fun to drive and pull harder. Its awesome that warralton can drag so well especially since he says that he only does it to test his car's ability, but also a lot of people just want a fast car not necessariliy a fast 1/4 mile time..
ps. (off topic) warralton what was your rank and MOS when you were in the marines? just curious as I'm also in the military.
ps. (off topic) warralton what was your rank and MOS when you were in the marines? just curious as I'm also in the military.
Originally Posted by mdzuricky77
i wasn't try to have this blow up but he does seem upset with everyone. i just don't understand why he comes off like that. i'm glad i'm not alone though. i though we were all free to chose as we please without someone telling us we aren't being smart so easily like it is their business. no biggie though, i have run into many people like that since i've been on here. what really makes me laugh is when i meet them in person and they are all smiles like they aren't rude on the internet. maybe it's just me. take care man.
matt
matt
Just tell him Doug and yourself were in 11's when he was in pampers
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Sorry, but #5 and #9 are both very true. Do not mislead newbies into thinking otherwise. Look beyond your personal distaste for the common good.
5) Do not get an aftermarket intake without a tune!
9) PM me for drag racing assistance.
If you disagree, burningmoron, please provide alternative suggestions. Simply disagreeing accomplishes nothing.
Anyway, wonderful list you compiled sqkhog. If newbies would read this before spending their hard-earned money, they would all be much happier, plus there would be many less Evos out there with more show than go...
5) Do not get an aftermarket intake without a tune!
9) PM me for drag racing assistance.
If you disagree, burningmoron, please provide alternative suggestions. Simply disagreeing accomplishes nothing.
Anyway, wonderful list you compiled sqkhog. If newbies would read this before spending their hard-earned money, they would all be much happier, plus there would be many less Evos out there with more show than go...
Hahaha, I like # 9. Heck you need assistance yourself from looking at the Topspeed video. I guess you will need to pm yourself
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