The SST - It's an Automatic, is it not?
The SST - It's an Automatic, is it not?
Ok, this "debate" started in another thread and I feel like there are plenty of opinions on this subject which I would like to open up since this is honestly a gigantic pet peeve of mine. 
The question I'm posing is:
Why do a lot of SST owners refuse to consent the fact that they drive an "automatic"?
Please chime in with any and all supporting info - articles, youtube videos, etc.
I'm EXTREMELY interested in what everyone has to say on this subject.
LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!!!!
The question I'm posing is:
Why do a lot of SST owners refuse to consent the fact that they drive an "automatic"?
Please chime in with any and all supporting info - articles, youtube videos, etc.
I'm EXTREMELY interested in what everyone has to say on this subject.
LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!!!!
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Easy chief, I've opened up a new thread so we don't **** off everyone here.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...l#post10923029
We can continue over there.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...l#post10923029
We can continue over there.
Ok guys it is NOT and automatic and its NOT a Manual. My whole point has been that it falls under its own category. Though I am interested to see what the rest have to say.
PS I don't drive and MR I prefer the GSR but I just wanted to enlighten the rest of the GSR guys that the MR really does fall under its own thing.
Just to get the ball rolling:
Here's a
training video Start watching at 3:44
Last edited by Maz; Aug 15, 2013 at 08:32 AM.
Funny you should ask. 
Here's the flow of comments from the other thread:
This one really made me laugh:
Here's the flow of comments from the other thread:
Every time my father comes to town and takes a ride with me (granted, I have more HP every time he comes) I have to remind him it's a "two liter four banger". He has a 68 El Camino with a big block v8 crate engine. He swears my car is twice as fast as his. 
** And something was really bugging me reading through the first 10 pages of this thread - you guys with MRs who get offended when someone refers to your car as an "auto". Can someone explain this to me? I've never looked into the MRs because they only have 2 pedals, but at a glance there's a P,R,N,D and then a lateral movement to go into "manual" mode.
Call me nuts, but the general idea that you can put your car in "drive" and then just hit the gas most definitely implies "automatic". Am I missing something?
** And something was really bugging me reading through the first 10 pages of this thread - you guys with MRs who get offended when someone refers to your car as an "auto". Can someone explain this to me? I've never looked into the MRs because they only have 2 pedals, but at a glance there's a P,R,N,D and then a lateral movement to go into "manual" mode.
Call me nuts, but the general idea that you can put your car in "drive" and then just hit the gas most definitely implies "automatic". Am I missing something?
Incorrect sir. It not an automatic rather it is an "Automated Manual Transaxle"
Begin at 3:44...
Evo X Training Video Part 3 - YouTube
Begin at 3:44...
Evo X Training Video Part 3 - YouTube
The guy bashing th sst, should really check out the schematics of a regular automatic trans.and then the schematics of a dual clutch trans, then go for a ride in some of the newer cars with a paddle shift or manual mode then a ride in dual clutch car. Check out shift response time. Hopefully he'll see the difference and that the dual clutch is made up of 2 seperate transmissions molded togeather and one boasting the even gears and the other half holding odd gears
Wait, wut?
I love when people call other people on this site "kids" when they have never seen or met said person. One could deduce that the mere act of calling someone else a "kid" in this circumstance would most assuredly point to the fact that the one doing the name calling is indeed subconsciously insecure about their own "inexperienced" age thus projecting his or her inner awkwardness onto others for seemingly no reason at all.
Ok screw it... AM NOT, YOU ARE!
No one was bashing the SST! Again, insecurities are the root of all evil.
I simply posed the question why SST owners refuse to accept that their vehicles are, without a fking doubt, automatics. Dual clutch, quintuple clutch, maybe some really really cool kind of clutch I've never heard of (Old School reference), the fact that the car can switch gears without any input from the driver makes the MR an automatic no matter how slice it.
Alas, the fact remains that if this is what you're into, fantastic for you! No one said the SST was inferior and no one "bashed" anyone here for owning one. I just posed the simple question "why can't you call it what it is?"
Didn't mean to harsh everyone's mellow.
I love when people call other people on this site "kids" when they have never seen or met said person. One could deduce that the mere act of calling someone else a "kid" in this circumstance would most assuredly point to the fact that the one doing the name calling is indeed subconsciously insecure about their own "inexperienced" age thus projecting his or her inner awkwardness onto others for seemingly no reason at all.
Ok screw it... AM NOT, YOU ARE!
No one was bashing the SST! Again, insecurities are the root of all evil.
I simply posed the question why SST owners refuse to accept that their vehicles are, without a fking doubt, automatics. Dual clutch, quintuple clutch, maybe some really really cool kind of clutch I've never heard of (Old School reference), the fact that the car can switch gears without any input from the driver makes the MR an automatic no matter how slice it.
Alas, the fact remains that if this is what you're into, fantastic for you! No one said the SST was inferior and no one "bashed" anyone here for owning one. I just posed the simple question "why can't you call it what it is?"
Didn't mean to harsh everyone's mellow.
And since you edited your post while I was typing my response, I'll reply to your changes. 
I have driven some of the most exotic cars on the planet. Ferrari Scuderia, Porsche GT2/GT3, Ford GT, Porsche Carrera GT, the list goes on...
Have you ever revved a top of the line Ferrari to redline gliding through each gear instantaneously pulling endlessly until you are fearful for your safety and the safety of those around you?
Guess what, the best "paddle shifty" transmissions on the planet are still, wait for it, automatics.
I have driven some of the most exotic cars on the planet. Ferrari Scuderia, Porsche GT2/GT3, Ford GT, Porsche Carrera GT, the list goes on...
Have you ever revved a top of the line Ferrari to redline gliding through each gear instantaneously pulling endlessly until you are fearful for your safety and the safety of those around you?
Guess what, the best "paddle shifty" transmissions on the planet are still, wait for it, automatics.
These guys get it. Haters gonna hate, automatics gonna shift automatically. End of story.
No one cares, Really.
So, can we get past this and get back to the funny, entertaining stories? No more butt hurt or insecure "kids" or "old people".
I do, however agree with the fact that automated and automatic are the same thing haha.
The clutch really makes the manual a manual.
No one cares, Really.
So, can we get past this and get back to the funny, entertaining stories? No more butt hurt or insecure "kids" or "old people".
I do, however agree with the fact that automated and automatic are the same thing haha.
The clutch really makes the manual a manual.
This one really made me laugh:
You know what's actually funny is that you completely ignored the information presented.
But since you want to play this game fine. Automatic and Automated by definition do relate, but in reference to TRANSMISSION's they are 2 different things. You also ignored the "MANUAL TRANSAXLE" part.
An automatic transmission is different then an "Automated Manual Transaxle". I can agree that SST is not a TRUE manual because its not, but it also is NOT an Automatic.
CLEARY states it is NOT an automatic. Go on find something else stupid to use in your argument. 100% you will not use any useful information because you have no useful information to use in this argument.
But since you want to play this game fine. Automatic and Automated by definition do relate, but in reference to TRANSMISSION's they are 2 different things. You also ignored the "MANUAL TRANSAXLE" part.
An automatic transmission is different then an "Automated Manual Transaxle". I can agree that SST is not a TRUE manual because its not, but it also is NOT an Automatic.
CLEARY states it is NOT an automatic. Go on find something else stupid to use in your argument. 100% you will not use any useful information because you have no useful information to use in this argument.
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Now you are all up to speed.
NeedBoost,
Why is it so hard to accept that it's neither an Automatic or a Manual? This can be a whole new type of transmission which it already is.
Why does it have to fall in one of the 2 categories?
NeedBoost,
Why is it so hard to accept that it's neither an Automatic or a Manual? This can be a whole new type of transmission which it already is.
Why does it have to fall in one of the 2 categories?
Last edited by Maz; Aug 15, 2013 at 08:41 AM.
Since I'm a sucker for factual information, let's take a look at what Wikipedia says (instead of what , the one's trying to sell you the more expensive "non-manual manual", says):
A manual transmission, also known as a manual gearbox or standard transmission is a type of transmission used in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle applications. It uses a driver-operated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch engaged and disengaged by a foot pedal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile) or hand lever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle), for regulating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque transfer from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine to the transmission; and a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_stick operated by foot (motorcycle) or by hand (automobile).
A conventional, 5-speed manual transmission is often the standard equipment in a base-model car; other options include automated transmissions such as an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission (often a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manumatic), a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission, or a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission (CVT).
An automatic transmission (also called automatic gearbox) is a type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_%28mechanics%29 that can automatically change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_ratio as the vehicle moves, freeing the driver from having to shift gears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_transmission. Most automatic transmissions have a defined set of gear ranges, often with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parking_pawl feature that locks the output shaft of the transmission stroke face.
I don't mean to end the debate so early, but can we consider this case closed?
, the one's trying to sell you the more expensive "non-manual manual", says):A manual transmission, also known as a manual gearbox or standard transmission is a type of transmission used in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle applications. It uses a driver-operated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch engaged and disengaged by a foot pedal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile) or hand lever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle), for regulating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque transfer from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine to the transmission; and a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_stick operated by foot (motorcycle) or by hand (automobile).
A conventional, 5-speed manual transmission is often the standard equipment in a base-model car; other options include automated transmissions such as an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission (often a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manumatic), a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission, or a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission (CVT).
An automatic transmission (also called automatic gearbox) is a type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_%28mechanics%29 that can automatically change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_ratio as the vehicle moves, freeing the driver from having to shift gears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_transmission. Most automatic transmissions have a defined set of gear ranges, often with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parking_pawl feature that locks the output shaft of the transmission stroke face.
I don't mean to end the debate so early, but can we consider this case closed?
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The dilemna when this topic is brought up is due to the fact that its not one or the other and people do not seem to comprehend that or are just plain ignorant.I drive an VIII so its a 5-speed however I dont hate on the X's with their flappy paddles. The thing is that they are not a true manual transmission. OTOH they are not a simple automatic either nor is it even comparable to the stupid tiptronic crap that you see in most cars today.
It actually bothers me when people act so ignorant about it but the ignorance comes from both sides. Some people claim their MR transmission is a manual trans which its not however others claim its simply an auto which its also not.
It certainly makes for an interesting discussion but at the end of the day does it really matter? Regardless of the truth, people will continue to argue their side and rip on the other. Have you ever had someone in a muscle car pull up next to you and call you a rice burner bc our car doesnt have a V8?
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The dilemna when this topic is brought up is due to the fact that its not one or the other and people do not seem to comprehend that or are just plain ignorant.I drive an VIII so its a 5-speed however I dont hate on the X's with their flappy paddles. The thing is that they are not a true manual transmission. OTOH they are not a simple automatic either nor is it even comparable to the stupid tiptronic crap that you see in most cars today.
It actually bothers me when people act so ignorant about it but the ignorance comes from both sides. Some people claim their MR transmission is a manual trans which its not however others claim its simply an auto which its also not.
It certainly makes for an interesting discussion but at the end of the day does it really matter? Regardless of the truth, people will continue to argue their side and rip on the other. Have you ever had someone in a muscle car pull up next to you and call you a rice burner bc our car doesnt have a V8?
The dilemna when this topic is brought up is due to the fact that its not one or the other and people do not seem to comprehend that or are just plain ignorant.I drive an VIII so its a 5-speed however I dont hate on the X's with their flappy paddles. The thing is that they are not a true manual transmission. OTOH they are not a simple automatic either nor is it even comparable to the stupid tiptronic crap that you see in most cars today.
It actually bothers me when people act so ignorant about it but the ignorance comes from both sides. Some people claim their MR transmission is a manual trans which its not however others claim its simply an auto which its also not.
It certainly makes for an interesting discussion but at the end of the day does it really matter? Regardless of the truth, people will continue to argue their side and rip on the other. Have you ever had someone in a muscle car pull up next to you and call you a rice burner bc our car doesnt have a V8?
Careful with the "ignorance" assumptions.
What both of you are doing is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is why I have such a huge problem with this debate. I work in the Information Technology industry so please understand that it is my passion and duty to adopt new things on a daily basis.
That being said, I will never ignore simple facts just because someone throws out fancy titles like Automated Manual Transaxles. Guess what the root of that phrase is....Auto. Is there any debate to that?
Automated Manual is a marketing term and makes about as much sense as Cautious Optimism, Current History, or Bright Darkness.
Just because you may know the inner workings of the transmission does not make someone who sits in your passenger seat and calls your MR an automatic while you do nothing to switch gears "ignorant". The words "automatic" and "manual" are "layman's" terms used to discern between the 2 types of vehicles on planet Earth: one's that shift for you, and one's that you have no other choice but to shift yourself.
The both of you should look up Jimmy Fallon's SNL skits where he plays an IT guy (and no, not because I am one ). Watch how annoyed he gets when people don't know what he knows - which 99.9% of the population does not know.
Just because something works a little differently doesn't, in any way whatsoever, change the simple fact that it is what it is.
). Watch how annoyed he gets when people don't know what he knows - which 99.9% of the population does not know.Just because something works a little differently doesn't, in any way whatsoever, change the simple fact that it is what it is.
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Careful with the "ignorance" assumptions.
What both of you are doing is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is why I have such a huge problem with this debate. I work in the Information Technology industry so please understand that it is my passion and duty to adopt new things on a daily basis.
That being said, I will never ignore simple facts just because someone throws out fancy titles like Automated Manual Transaxles. Guess what the root of that phrase is....Auto. Is there any debate to that?
Automated Manual is a marketing term and makes about as much sense as Cautious Optimism, Current History, or Bright Darkness.
Just because you may know the inner workings of the transmission does not make someone who sits in your passenger seat and calls your MR an automatic while you do nothing to switch gears "ignorant". The words "automatic" and "manual" are "layman's" terms used to discern between the 2 types of vehicles on planet Earth: one's that shift for you, and one's that you have no other choice but to shift yourself.
What both of you are doing is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is why I have such a huge problem with this debate. I work in the Information Technology industry so please understand that it is my passion and duty to adopt new things on a daily basis.
That being said, I will never ignore simple facts just because someone throws out fancy titles like Automated Manual Transaxles. Guess what the root of that phrase is....Auto. Is there any debate to that?
Automated Manual is a marketing term and makes about as much sense as Cautious Optimism, Current History, or Bright Darkness.
Just because you may know the inner workings of the transmission does not make someone who sits in your passenger seat and calls your MR an automatic while you do nothing to switch gears "ignorant". The words "automatic" and "manual" are "layman's" terms used to discern between the 2 types of vehicles on planet Earth: one's that shift for you, and one's that you have no other choice but to shift yourself.
It is and should be regarded as a completely different type of transmission.
Why does it HAVE To be AUTO or MANUAL.
It's like a hybrid. Gas or electric? It uses gas so it MUST be a petrol engine car, But it uses batteries that makes it an electric car.
BUT WAIT ITS BOTH! So why can't this idea apply to the transmission as well?
Last edited by Maz; Aug 15, 2013 at 09:20 AM.
And did you read the wiki definitions I posted? Please take a look and read them all the way through...
