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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:16 AM
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I've seen it, smelled it and driven it and in two more weeks I can tell you about it, but until then driving impressions are under embargo. Look for Motor Trend's October issue on sale around the first week of September for a telling review of '05 Evo MR versus improved '05 STi. Head to head on the dyno, on a racetrack (with extensive, comprehensive, number crunching data), and at the test facility for instrumented testing of acceleration, braking, slalom, skidpad, and figure-eight. No other magazine will give as extensive a test and there is even a bonus.
I hope the bonus is a test that included the regular 03/04 Evo 8...
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:28 AM
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Evo Neal since you smelled the MR,

Will the MotorTrend Issue come with a Scrath-n-Sniff section for the MR write-up? Bigger turbo smell v. regular turbo smell?

How about a little taste section? The Advans taste like Advans... hmmm the Blisteins have a bolder flavor than the stock shocks.

I want all my senses stimulated....

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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pjork-master
Evo Neal since you smelled the MR,

Will the MotorTrend Issue come with a Scrath-n-Sniff section for the MR write-up? Bigger turbo smell v. regular turbo smell?

How about a little taste section? The Advans taste like Advans... hmmm the Blisteins have a bolder flavor than the stock shocks.

I want all my senses stimulated....

g

I'm almost positive that the Turbo on the USDM MR is exactly the same as the other 05 models will be, as well as the rest of the engine. Mitsu has said nothing about it being any different . I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not or if that is even what you were saying. I've heard others on here that seem to be confused about this so not picking on you or anything. Just trying to stop some false info for spreading.

Next thing you know, there will be something else to be pissed at mitsu for. Along with those seats that mysteriously were expected to come with our MR.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:47 AM
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I'm almost positive that the Turbo on the USDM MR is exactly the same as the other 05 models will be, as well as the rest of the engine. Mitsu has said nothing about it being any different . I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not or if that is even what you were saying.
You know, I have to admit, the MITSU press release is a little ambiguous. I agree the spec sheet basically says the motor/turbo/wastegate will be idenitical in all 3 models...

But the narrative above the specs states that the USDM MR (edition) has a bigger turbo... strange

I think they'll be the same turbos for all, but...

But, either way, I'm excited about the MR... with or without the JDM aesthetic goodies

g

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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pjork-master
You know, I have to admit, the MITSU press release is a little ambiguous. I agree the spec sheet basically says the motor/turbo/wastegate will be idenitical in all 3 models...

But the narrative above the specs states that the USDM MR (edition) has a bigger turbo... strange

I think they'll be the same turbos for all, but...

But, either way, I'm excited about the MR... with or without the JDM aesthetic goodies

g

Yeah, it is confusing. <-- (lol this thing has weird hands, ok sorry)

Maybe it comes with a different turbo (than base) overseas and the non-usdm market MR specs were the only thing they had to go on at first. I'm surprised they still haven't released MSRP, who knows what's going on there. Just don't want to assume too much. It'll be interesting to see how much smoother the 05s are power wise.

I'm sure as hell happy to see that the rumors at least aren't saying it'll be ove $35k now, I always thought that sounded too high. For some reason the dealer was really sure that MSRP was going to be close 40k despite knowing about the R&T Speed article's "guesstimate" of around $32k.

Evo Neil needs to stop teasing us! I really don't know if I can wait till that issue of Motor Trend. I mean, c'mon man! What's more important, a dream job over at Motor Trend or giving us the scoop so we don't have to be patient for two more weeks.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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40K, huh... I think that's including the desired dealer mark-up .

MSRP will have to be no more than 35k... o/w they will be competing dollar for dollar with the STI and for the average buyer who drives on the highway, the added performance won't equal the cost.

It is weird that there's no official MSRP... it's almost as if :MITSU: is fine tuning the MR edition with hidden goodies (trying to get the upper hand on Subaru )and likely based on EVOM *****ing about the lights

I like the blob... makes me laugh

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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pjork-master
An MR RS would be it... my weapon de jour.
Wouldnt an 05 RS with MR suspension be an MR RS 5-speed?
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 10:44 AM
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Think the dealers would put the Blisteins on at cost? How about the BBS wheels... though their are lighter ones?

But, dude that grey is awesome....
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pjork-master
As far as I know it's still special order... still considering Zeals for cost reasons.
Take a look at AST and proflexes also.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 11:12 AM
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I think a lot of the confusion is from that MR article in R&T speed magazine.
I had so many factual errors. It was also comparing the JDM to both US and JDM versions of the VIII.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MR 600
Wouldnt an 05 RS with MR suspension be an MR RS 5-speed?
Yes, in the performance dept. you will need Bilstein, vortex, c/f wing, BBS wheels.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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I think it's really wrong to say that this thing --> has "weird" hands. It's challenged...certainly... but look at the damn arms.

As for the MR...I'm getting one. I'm disappointed that we don't get the black seats (I just think they look cool) and I'm also disapppointed that we don't get the black lights, etc...but really we only missed out on the SAYC, mechanically, which might have been a headache if we really pushed it hard with high hp. Maybe they did us a favor with that one. Still would have liked breaking it .
Looks like the black steering wheel (which I like better) can easily be done from the silver brushed one...just anodized black (or painted). As for the engine, does anyone know anything about what the "improved cooling channels" are? Any specifics? Anyone with blueprints ?

<--now THAT thing needs help.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pjork-master
40K, huh... I think that's including the desired dealer mark-up .

MSRP will have to be no more than 35k... o/w they will be competing dollar for dollar with the STI and for the average buyer who drives on the highway, the added performance won't equal the cost.

It is weird that there's no official MSRP... it's almost as if :MITSU: is fine tuning the MR edition with hidden goodies (trying to get the upper hand on Subaru )and likely based on EVOM *****ing about the lights

I like the blob... makes me laugh

g

No, that was MSRP. I have it in writing, MSRP only. So they can't do the mark up. They actually seemed kind of surprised that I asked for MSRP, like if they wouldn't have even thought of selling it for more than that. It's really tough times for these Mitsu dealers in the midwest. They said to expect close to the $40k mark. I still knew better than that. It isn't the first time a dealer has been wrong.

erikgj,
Yeah, that R&T article was deceptive. I like how they flipped the interior pic to make it look like it was LHD. I still think they're number for the MSRP sounds about right though. And they were right about it actually coming here, alot of people seriously doubted it.


MyCre8n=Evlshn,

You're right, these things shouldn't have arms! I think I'm computer illiterate, I don't even know what half of these mean.

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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 05:20 PM
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Bah, all this whining and speculation about the MR. I say "who cares???" For my $$$, I'd be holding out for an '05 RS. Then take the money saved vs. an MR and sink it into a better suspension and some basic mods and end up with a car that will OWN any stock MR.

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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chantaiman51
Yes, in the performance dept. you will need Bilstein, vortex, c/f wing, BBS wheels.
the suspension (Blistein shocks) is all you need to get it to the MR pace. the rest like the wheels and wing can be bought for less, yet better (ie.. SSR wheels and APR carbon wing), both are lighter then the MRs.
the 6 speed is the only item which would be hard to add to an 05 RS, even though it looks like it will be faster around a race track, its not as strong as the 5 speed. magazines can afford to blow a tranny to test a car once in a while, i cant. i will sacrifice the few tenth of a seconds i gain with the 6 speed for a longer lasting, stronger tranny. besides, i can add a lot more seconds with a few power add ones and still end up spending a lot less then the MR

So basically, you will have MR RS 5-speed with 500 hp for the price of an MR 6 speed with 300 hp :P
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