Hey man, MR 600 has some valid points... not taking sides, but if he does want a track car, he can invest in the necessary bits and have a 5sp MR RS... which would be quite a setup.

But, again your right as well... for everyday street use it may be too crude, but some like it rawer than others....

Its like sex... there's **** and then there's pretty much love making. If you're lucky, you have a good mix or more of the former... but sex is sex.

The RS is like **** all the time

Some like it, some don't. I have to admit, I like it like that ... but you got to work it and there are compromises.

And some of those slammed Civics/Integras are pretty unreal with respect to performance...

 

Yes, I certainly commend your restraint. I know personally I would have a hard time keeping quiet.

 

[QUOTE=chantaiman51] Do you drive your car around town? Or do you only use it as a track only car? I say most if not all people in this forum need to use the car for at least 8k to 15k miles a year.

I don't know how you do your calculation, You won't save any money to mod the RS to be an MR RS because according to price in japan, the difference is $6k.
Wheels will cost you $2500
CF wing and vortex is $1000
Bilstein is $2000
you still don't have the 6 speed box for fuel economy or for whatever reason.
No more warranty coverage
So how are you saving alot of money????

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17" SSRs from the Tirerack $1600
used MR Bilsteins $1000
APR carbon wing $600 , vortex wont help that much
5 speed might use up more gas, but will last longer and is stronger, smoother then the 6 speed.

$3200 is all u need to have an MR RS 5 speed with lighter wheels and same hp and less total weight. dont count in the blacked lights sinse the US MR wont have them anyways.
$3k left for power mods, that will increase that .12 gap ur talking about.

many ppl are driving their RS daily. so will i. u cant drive a car daily that has manual windows and locks? remember, the RS has A/C, and u can get a used EVO stereo and speakers cheap. (take offs)

i dont know whats bugging u soo much, i am just saying what i intend to do, why is it bothering you? i am not telling u or anyone else to do the same.

 

Japan and Europe have different regulations for emissions, safety, lighting, etc. than we have here, so it not as simple as bringing over JDM spec parts. As I was saying if that's what you want move to a country where you can get that, it's unrealistic to expect that every part can meet all of the different world standards. We don't call it JDM and USDM for nothing...

 

Nice mix of opinions and concerns guys

Its obvious that many are divided on the asthetics. Some people are willing to settle and others want looks to match their performance.

I'll bet we all agree that we are getting a nice improvement in performance and will be well worth it for first time buyers like me

Trading up is a tougher choice - well worth it if you track and want the lsd. Otherwise, I'm not so sure.

Anyway, I guess we're all excited to see how the MR stacks up to the Sti. Can't wait to read that MT article

 

Write it all out now and just send it 12:01 am on 9/1. At least you can get what you want to say right before you burst.

 

I still think that once the embargo thing is lifted, people will forget about those heads, tails, and seats reeaaal fast. If it is better, even not by that much, just better than the GSR, RS, and STI and not extremely overpriced. The guys complaining will want the best, and get it if they can. Of course there will be excuses why it isn't the best but in the world of the Evo it's real simple, the fastest from point A to point B is the best.

Thats why they are here! They could have gotten a nice interior and a fairly sexy car in a Tiburon if thats what they wanted but it sure as hell isn't an Evo

You've seen the light, so will they.

It's easy to say someone trading in is getting ripped off, I would probably say it. But everyone has a different economic situation. Life is meant to be enjoyed and money is meant to be spent. If you have the means, do what you want with it.

 

What everyone and I mean everyone fails to realize it that with current currency exchange rates a U.K. Evo FQ340 MR goes for $60,000. That's right $60,000! That difference buys a lot of JDM spec parts...for those who HAVE to have them.

 

but you can't use the exchange rate for converting english car prices either. They get hosed.

Example:

Ford Focus SVT $19,375 in US the same car is called the ST170 in the UK is £16,500 or US$30,098 @ £1.82418=$1 (8/18/04)

The UK MR FQ-340 is £32,990 On The Road using the ratio 19375/16500 gives US$ 38,738.

An M3 is £41,150 or US$ 75,055 from the exchange rate or $48,320 by ratio. The US base is $47,100.

Some have called this GAP pricing. Named after the GAP clothing store. They seem to just convert prices directly from dollars to pounds. $20 sweater = a £20 sweater. forgeting that $1 = £.55

 

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Thanks for the enlightenment! I guess I just never thought people would pay $30K for a brand new car, then put used suspension, cheap take off radio, loose 20+ basic amenities, loose warranty on a not so reliable car for the sake of going 0.12 second faster for couples of track days a year. And yes of course, according to the theory of linear quantum mass acceleration, adding 137.68 hp will make the car go 3.425 second faster around an 5 degree gradient semi elliptical oval track.

I really don't know if I can drive a car without power windows/locks or not. I just remember our first family car has power lock and window and its a mercedes W108 280sel, and my dad bought that car in 1972. And I have never own a car with manual window and door. So i can't comment on that.

BTW, I am not telling what people should do, its just my opinion.
So you win, you are a true car guru.

 

BTW, there is something really interesting.

The 5sp MR RS did 12"982 in quarter miles run.
The 6sp MR GSR did 13"159 in quater miles run.

So the 5sp MR RS is 0.177 second faster than MR GSR for quarter miles run. But why is the overall lap time for RS is only 0.12 second faster than MR. Is the lighter RS loosing alot of time/speed in turn??? Again, it looks like RS is doing really good in straght line run, but missing something in turn.

 

The difference in times is basically demonstrating the 6sp benefit on the track and keeping the motor in its powerband.

 

Why care about head & tail lights or the seats i mean the seats would be nice but what all u guys fail to not understand is we are not getin the "SAYC" this means are brand new evos have been short changed in the performance area we will have alot more understeer than evo's with "SAYC" and if ur like me I hate undesteer with all my heart i dont know how hard it will be or how much money it would be to get this rear installed ..... i really think this a deciding factor for me ..... ur guys thoughts ??? this big to me i want "SAYC"

 

Well, what you're forgetting is that Mitsubishi is putting a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty on the car. Perhaps there are engineers within the company that know something you don't and have advised the higher ups to not include S-AYC.