My conversation with Mitsu USA Product Planning re: the MR EDITION
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Originally Posted by DSM-DANK
Why care about head & tail lights or the seats i mean the seats would be nice but what all u guys fail to not understand is we are not getin the "SAYC" this means are brand new evos have been short changed in the performance area we will have alot more understeer than evo's with "SAYC" and if ur like me I hate undesteer with all my heart i dont know how hard it will be or how much money it would be to get this rear installed ..... i really think this a deciding factor for me ..... ur guys thoughts ??? this big to me i want "SAYC"
AYC would correct both understeer and oversteer, wouldn't it? For example, you're getting alot of oversteer I'm sure it would correct that as well. This is why the Evo is famous for it's "zero counter steer", and it's telepathic point and shoot turning.
If you want to drift through a corner and get power oversteer. It would probably be much more simple and rewarding to get an 03 without any of the active aids and buy adjustable sway bars and a trunk brace. It just won't necessarily be the fastest around the track.
However if it is just that you want SAYC, aren't sure why, and want to complain about not getting it. Just say so. I will join you, I want SAYC too. I don't plan to drag race. So mitsu if you're listening, I promise I won't break it! Pretty please?
The problem is, I also want Mitsu to be around in the future, so unfortunately it really may not be the best idea for them to bring it here.
Last edited by The Bear; Aug 19, 2004 at 10:16 PM.
Originally Posted by The Bear
AYC would correct both understeer and oversteer, wouldn't it? For example, you're getting alot of oversteer I'm sure it would correct that as well. This is why the Evo is famous for it's "zero counter steer", and it's telepathic point and shoot turning.
If you want to drift through a corner and get power oversteer. It would probably be much more simple and rewarding to get an 03 without any of the active aids and buy adjustable sway bars and a trunk brace. It just won't necessarily be the fastest around the track.
However if it is just that you want SAYC, aren't sure why, and want to complain about not getting it. Just say so. I will join you, I want SAYC too. I don't plan to drag race. So mitsu if you're listening, I promise I won't break it! Pretty please?
The problem is, I also want Mitsu to be around in the future, so unfortunately it really may not be the best idea for them to bring it here.
If you want to drift through a corner and get power oversteer. It would probably be much more simple and rewarding to get an 03 without any of the active aids and buy adjustable sway bars and a trunk brace. It just won't necessarily be the fastest around the track.
However if it is just that you want SAYC, aren't sure why, and want to complain about not getting it. Just say so. I will join you, I want SAYC too. I don't plan to drag race. So mitsu if you're listening, I promise I won't break it! Pretty please?
The problem is, I also want Mitsu to be around in the future, so unfortunately it really may not be the best idea for them to bring it here.
What will reduce understeer on all ‘05s is the ACD and the front TORSEN diff. I would like to have had the SAYC but the ‘05s should really handle well.
Originally Posted by EVO Neil
I guess I thought it was understood that these are USDM versions of both the Evo MR and the STi. And yes, we do talk about living with them on a daily basis.
Last edited by erikgj; Aug 20, 2004 at 07:04 AM.
Originally Posted by erikgj
but you can't use the exchange rate for converting english car prices either. They get hosed.
Example:
Ford Focus SVT $19,375 in US the same car is called the ST170 in the UK is £16,500 or US$30,098 @ £1.82418=$1 (8/18/04)
The UK MR FQ-340 is £32,990 On The Road using the ratio 19375/16500 gives US$ 38,738.
An M3 is £41,150 or US$ 75,055 from the exchange rate or $48,320 by ratio. The US base is $47,100.
Some have called this GAP pricing. Named after the GAP clothing store. They seem to just convert prices directly from dollars to pounds. $20 sweater = a £20 sweater. forgeting that $1 = £.55
Example:
Ford Focus SVT $19,375 in US the same car is called the ST170 in the UK is £16,500 or US$30,098 @ £1.82418=$1 (8/18/04)
The UK MR FQ-340 is £32,990 On The Road using the ratio 19375/16500 gives US$ 38,738.
An M3 is £41,150 or US$ 75,055 from the exchange rate or $48,320 by ratio. The US base is $47,100.
Some have called this GAP pricing. Named after the GAP clothing store. They seem to just convert prices directly from dollars to pounds. $20 sweater = a £20 sweater. forgeting that $1 = £.55
Valid point, but how many people on this board would or could pay almost 39K for an Evo? I'd say not many. So price point is still valid, because after Mitsubishi announces pricing on the MR I can almost promise their will be a thread about the cost of the car. People want it all, but they also don't want to pay for it. Wait until people find out that the base USDM Evo will be over 30K this year, they will whine about that too, failing to remember that it was $29,999 last year. People WILL whine!
Originally Posted by erikgj
If you can't say anything about it don't bother. Did MT test pre-production samples of the Evo & STi? Are both cars tested exactly what we are getting? Can't wait to get my MR in September.
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Originally Posted by EVO Neil
Valid point, but how many people on this board would or could pay almost 39K for an Evo? I'd say not many. So price point is still valid, because after Mitsubishi announces pricing on the MR I can almost promise their will be a thread about the cost of the car. People want it all, but they also don't want to pay for it. Wait until people find out that the base USDM Evo will be over 30K this year, they will whine about that too, failing to remember that it was $29,999 last year. People WILL whine!
It has to have the pieces to make it worth the price. The 05 STi has made some very big improvements though.. But for track use and modifications the Evo still has a strong foothold and cost/improvement ratio.
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Originally Posted by EVO Neil
So price point is still valid, because after Mitsubishi announces pricing on the MR I can almost promise their will be a thread about the cost of the car.
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Originally Posted by EVO Neil
The MR was a production level car (with all US MR equipment) and the STi was a production unit. 2005 STi's are already on the street. So, yes both cars are U.S. versions.
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
Well, what you're forgetting is that Mitsubishi is putting a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty on the car. Perhaps there are engineers within the company that know something you don't and have advised the higher ups to not include S-AYC.
Is it currently available on all 04 Evos?!
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Originally Posted by Turbo-Ron
Wow - is that warranty for sure ?!
Is it currently available on all 04 Evos?!
Is it currently available on all 04 Evos?!
As well as 5yr/60K bumper to bumper and free maintenance for 3 years or 45K.
Last edited by GPTourer; Aug 21, 2004 at 03:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by EVO Neil
Valid point, but how many people on this board would or could pay almost 39K for an Evo? I'd say not many. So price point is still valid, because after Mitsubishi announces pricing on the MR I can almost promise their will be a thread about the cost of the car. People want it all, but they also don't want to pay for it. Wait until people find out that the base USDM Evo will be over 30K this year, they will whine about that too, failing to remember that it was $29,999 last year. People WILL whine!
And you are right - I wouldn't pay $40 K for it - (
unless it was full Jap spec
with at least 350hp that is 
)
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Originally Posted by Turbo-Ron
(unless it was full Jap spec with at least 350hp that is )
with at least 350hp that is )
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
As well as 5yr/60K bumper to bumper and free maintenance for 3 years or 45K.
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Originally Posted by awdmofo
twice as many STi's sold as Evo? This can't be true anyone who drives around will see the opposite.
#2 is not true at least not for me if I want a luxo'd up and heavier Evo I would buy an M3. I bought the Evo for it's raw performance and low cost.
Sorry if I'm offensive but you guys are basically *****ing about some cosmetic differences. The performance goodies are still coming w/ the MR and that's what is important. If you cared so much about looks and less about performance you shouldn't be buying an Evo in the first place.
#2 is not true at least not for me if I want a luxo'd up and heavier Evo I would buy an M3. I bought the Evo for it's raw performance and low cost.
Sorry if I'm offensive but you guys are basically *****ing about some cosmetic differences. The performance goodies are still coming w/ the MR and that's what is important. If you cared so much about looks and less about performance you shouldn't be buying an Evo in the first place.