Game over for AEM EMS?
I guess what needs to be done is like someone stated earlier when you come to play this game of modding cars, set a goal for yourself, Like for example me, I want about 450hp daily driver decent street spool. ECU Flash will be plenty for engine management for me(Even though I loved my AEM Unit on my honda. Also when you purchase your mods think before you buy. Will I be able to use this mod as I am working towards my goal, unless you have fat pockets and can buy it all at once. I cant so I buy bolt on stuff that will work with my turbo kit that I am slowly and secretly putting together behind my fiancee's back 
. Things like intercoolers, exhausts, intercooler piping, test pipes, and a few other things can used on different turbo setups.
. Things like intercoolers, exhausts, intercooler piping, test pipes, and a few other things can used on different turbo setups.
Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
587whp would be impressive if you actually made that. Your 11.0 at 128 proves you are closer to 500whp.
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Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Sean,
I respect your opinion more than almost anyone on this forum. However, I have repeatedly seen simple reflashed 35Rs make perfectly smooth power up to 540whp at around 8000rpms with stable AFRs on the stock block and 30Rs make 500 on the stock bottom end with reflashes.
I understand resolution issues at high boost and high rpms, but for whatever reason, I don't see these issues actually manifesting themselves in real life.
My point is this: Get the AEM only after it is apparent by actual observation that you have gone beyond the stock systems. I think that several of us have now proven that the AEM isn't needed until much later in the modification process than was previously reported.
So, assuming that money is limited:
Why not get a rebuilt Shepard tranny AND a Quaiffe LSD for the same money.
-or-
Get a brand new Buschur Turbo Kit for the same money
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Get get a set of Muellerized coilovers (I'd say Vishnu Ohlins but they cost more than an AEM)
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Get a set of very nice wheels with race rubber
-or- etc, etc
I respect your opinion more than almost anyone on this forum. However, I have repeatedly seen simple reflashed 35Rs make perfectly smooth power up to 540whp at around 8000rpms with stable AFRs on the stock block and 30Rs make 500 on the stock bottom end with reflashes.
I understand resolution issues at high boost and high rpms, but for whatever reason, I don't see these issues actually manifesting themselves in real life.
My point is this: Get the AEM only after it is apparent by actual observation that you have gone beyond the stock systems. I think that several of us have now proven that the AEM isn't needed until much later in the modification process than was previously reported.
So, assuming that money is limited:
Why not get a rebuilt Shepard tranny AND a Quaiffe LSD for the same money.
-or-
Get a brand new Buschur Turbo Kit for the same money
-or-
Get get a set of Muellerized coilovers (I'd say Vishnu Ohlins but they cost more than an AEM)
-or-
Get a set of very nice wheels with race rubber
-or- etc, etc
i agree to some extent but also consider this....i did have a AEM ems but stock motor and everything (besides cams and headbolts) stock intake manifold and throttle body i made 558 awhp (very big useable powerband) and 454 lb ft of tq SAE corrected with the stock motor and the aem with bolt ons and a gt35r....and that was pump gas and methonal...30psi. My reason for saying this is that a simple 3.5bar/aem setup isn't that much money in the market (new $1600-used$1000ish) and with other bolt ons i made huge power and did it very cheap.....i mean shoot i ran 11.1 at 129mph with 498awhp. That is the cheapest/most cost effective route for people....keep the stock motor and btw i beat the snot outta that 20k old motor and reved it all day to 8500 rpms. i feel a perfect mod path for budget minded street evos is stock ecu flashed with all bolt ons and gt30r....small backside log manifold....500awhp and prolly 440 on pump daily.
I love my AEM. Daily Driven 558whp stock block, plus cams and headstuds. Just took a trip to Fl and averaged 28mpg on 1000cc injectors, etc. Smogrunner is correct, the stock ecu will work for the majority of evo owners, for everyone else there's AEM, etc.
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Originally Posted by evodave
i feel a perfect mod path for budget minded street evos is stock ecu flashed with all bolt ons and gt30r....small backside log manifold....500awhp and prolly 440 on pump daily.
Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
587whp would be impressive if you actually made that. Your 11.0 at 128 proves you are closer to 500whp.
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Originally Posted by Mivecless
Your AEM prices are $800-1000 high. Stop bashing and stop gloating. You will earn more respect by not talking about yourself as often.
Hey Mivecless, I'm not selling anything. I'm just trying to save people money on a mod that has been oversold and underneeded. It is what a forum is for: input from non-profit minded folks.
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I have seen your dynograph and I have heard your heat excuse for your track visit. Truth be your car made about 500whp at the track. So maybe the dyno you use reads a bit high or your " in your face AEM" tuning wasn't so hot after all.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Rez, Smoggy already made his post about the power he made with the mods he has.
The point of this is not to demean or degrade people who already use an AEM EMS unnecessarily, but to hopefully dispel any myths that an AEM EMS _MUST_ be used with a certain setup on certain turbos when making less than 600whp (general number). There are MANY people out there who spend money on things without understanding the truth, and with as many people who put on upgraded turbos without even knowing how to change their oil, it would be helpful for them to know that they can pretty easily make 500-550whp on their stock ECU without spending 2-3k on a standalone.
The point of this is not to demean or degrade people who already use an AEM EMS unnecessarily, but to hopefully dispel any myths that an AEM EMS _MUST_ be used with a certain setup on certain turbos when making less than 600whp (general number). There are MANY people out there who spend money on things without understanding the truth, and with as many people who put on upgraded turbos without even knowing how to change their oil, it would be helpful for them to know that they can pretty easily make 500-550whp on their stock ECU without spending 2-3k on a standalone.
i completely agree with you and agree with your point.....but the original post on this thread didn't come off like you just explained it........at all.
Originally Posted by High_PSI
Yeah 500WHP is a 128MPH trap for sure. 580WHP is in the 130's or should be.
