Well technically yes but at the same time then you arent making as much power


Dynojets read high normally and thats fine. A dyno should never be used to show power... it should only be used to compare to yourself or others on the same exact dyno. Even Smog said it himself... He trapped higher with just under 500 than he did with upper 500s.

 

The whole purpose of this post is raise the debate of when an AEM is actually NEEDED. I intentionally used an inflammatory title to draw heat to the topic. One the best teachers I ever worked with said "you have to have heat to have light."

It is my belief that we can get the job done well with a reflash until quite a bit later than is actually commonly believed. My goal with my car is to run a 10.9, well maybe a 10.8 . Seeing that I have gotten a total of 3 clean passes and have run 11.1, 11.0, and 11.0. I'd say I set my goals perfectly and I'll make the adjustments needed to get there. For me, it is looking pretty obvious that I'll do it with just simple adjustments like increasing my boost and/or drag radials. Once my goal is accomplished, I'll quit focusing on drag racing and get the car out to a track with corners and just learn to drive it safely on lower boost.

For people out there (Bbar comes to mind more than anyone else) having an AEM is a great part of the tuner car culture. They log and log and test parts and new approaches to tuning and then log some more. That is totally cool, if that is what makes them enjoy their car. I'm more of a "set it and forget it" guy other than making minor adjustments.

 

Man Its alomst comical that someone would start another thread mine is better than yours. Says alot doesn't it.

 

People still fail to see it is not a matter of choice or preference for many... and if a few continuously proposed bills make it through Congress... ALL OF US in the not so distant future will have little choice who want to drive our Evo on the street!

I see this as a DISCUSSION of at what point does one really NEED a stand alone answer to engine management. I'd say few Evo owners really do.

Key board warriors be warned...

 

Thats a really really good point.. There are some states where you cannot get your car to pass an inspection without OBD-II and other devices still intact.. Then there are other places where it doesnt matter at the moment. Right now you can bribe/cheat the system in some states where its more strict, unfortunately technology has gotten better, and inspections may consist of capturing video of the car being tested, there are already some states that capture images of the car on the smog dyno..

I think the discussion is "How do you modify your car and at least stay within the Spirit of the law, if not be completely legal"

I just never considered the standalone options to be a good choice for me for those reasons.. If my car was exempt from these things, I probably would have been using a standalone, but I also like to prove that its possible to do things that others discredit as not possible.

 

But at what cost to the fine-grain of tuning at intermediate sites?

 

I think AEM/standalones in general still have their place. ECUflash is a great tool for controlling the ecu, but it still has limitations.

coolant temp compensation for one is still locked.

the ability to turn off trouble codes is still locked.

no real time programming.

no built in memory for datalogging.

no configurable outputs.

 

This is far from the truth.

We use a Motec ADL dash, with our own Motec beacon. (no telemetry, we need to download data after each session)

In every race we have run with our Evo, we have used a stock ECU tuned by an old school blue screen S-AFC. We make good power with outstanding reliability with this set up.

We are exploring other options in our quest to run faster, but until a product is proven faster on the race course, we won't run it.

Thanks.

 

I just want speed density so I can install my HKS SSQV









j/k ECUflash is more than enough for me

 

I think Smogrunner's car has 133+ mph traps in it. Let the weather cool down... It plays a bigger part than most think

 

I chose those numbers specifically to show every one of them can be changed.. But lets be honest, I doubt any tuner spends THAT much time on a tune that the additional intermediate values would get that much attention anyway. Its obviously not a perfect solution since it does have shortcomings, but I'll bet its way better than anyone really expected.

 

Hi and welcome to our forums. Please tone down you responses and keep on topic. Smoggrunner is a valued contributor to our forums and your responses are uncalled for in this thread. He simply opened a topic for discussion and debate, which you may or many not want to participate, but if you do, do so in mature manner. We have removed your last useless comment. Thank.

Speedlimit...

 

hmmm !

 

they use safc with motec to monitor everything else...

do you not read?

damn you really are random... do you even know what motec is for? it's not there for it's great ****in' engine management capabilities... it's there for data gathering, telemetry. do you know what that means? it's those vectors that tell you how fast you're going at each point in the track and how many g's you're pulling and what the exact elapsed time is so you can keep tuning your hcassis setup to get the least time around the track.

 

Facts or not...this is much like a political debate in that...there are MANY ways to accomplish the same thing. It usually boils down to plain old preference. What your experiences have been with such and such. Good, bad...it'll affect your future decisions. I personally find it rather impressive that Smog was able to make that much on an otherwise stock setup. Very cool. AND useful to know.

Whether I wish to spend MY money on AEM EMS or not isn't the point here. He's offering up a different 'path' way to achieve the same goal. I think that was very cool of him to share.