What are the chances the tune is wrong.

 

Take the car to another Dyno.
If everything checks good with the car, this is the next step.

 

wow....thats pretty darn low....try tuning technologies dyno...thats where i go to tune my own car....

Edit: NM about the Tuning Technologies comment since you are way far north....but try a different dyno for sure...and fill up on some good 'ol 76 brand gas

 

Does any one know of any other shops in the area that tune EVOs. (San Francisco CA area) aka bay area.

 

Andy, from what I've seen, is a very decent tuner. Something is going on with the car. Who knows what it could be.

I put down 333whp on 91 with Bryan @ GST. But I have a phantom knock issue I need to diagnose. Stuff happens. Andy has tuned more than 1 EvoGreen, and I have seen him get 320whp+ out of them.

Start with the most basic thing and move backwards from there.


Try putting the stock fuel rail back on. You don't need one with a stockish turbo, AFAIK.

 

how does the car feel?

 

So what was used or done to the computer on your car to adjust fuel and timing? It sounds like a tuning problem to me. Also it seems that you think that the turbo is the cause of your problem from the thread title. What makes you think that?

 

Those compression #s are way on the low side. Limit is 138 psi. Your deltas are ok as that limit is 14 psi. I'd add a thimble of oil down the spark plug hole and recheck. If the #s go up, it is in the rings, else it is in through the valve train.

Even still, being that low on compression wouldn't equate to the #s being that far off.

Does the car feel like it is pulling hard? Maybe the dyno is out on calibration.

 

Andy at Speed Element also tuned my 2006 EVO IX MR with a full race header, full exhaust, HKS carbon muffler, and cat delete pipe, 720 cc denso's, Cooling mist akly, HKS DLI II, o2, stock turbo at 29 psi, ARC intake, stock ECU, and got 325 awhp on their dyno. Andy has tuned more EVO's than he can probably count by now. I have to think there is something else wrong (not the tuner) with your EVO.

Good luck with finding what's not right... If you are in San Fran, you might want to have the folks at Works take a look. You never know, but just having another opinion might not be a bad thing. ...kind of like getting a second opinion from a doctor.

Have you considered that the EVO Green might be bad? Just wondering if you tuned prior to installing the Green. Might want to think about putting the stock turbo back on then tune again. If you’re getting good numbers with the stock turbo then you can probably bet something is wrong with the Green. I am no expert; just an enthusiast, but this seems like a logical step to me.

On several times Andy has stayed very late into the night to get customers cars right; including mine. My EVO and I have been in Bangkok, Thailand since March... Maybe I am just lucky, but I haven't had any issues since having my EVO tuned in February at Speed Element. Since coming to Thailand only changed the spark plugs, filter, and oil at the HKS Thailand shop.

+1 for Speed Element!

Sawadee krap,

Jason

 

Based on what? People here say the most specious things without a shred of evidence. EvoM FTMFL.

 

Jason,

Thanks for the vote of confidence, and your package you sent us from Thailand. I am glad to hear your car is running well.

Bobrick (Alex) and company (posters),

This situation is one of the worst scenarios I come across as a tuner. A customer spends thousands of dollars modifying their car and the result is not what is expected.

First and foremost, I am an enthusiast and I know what it is like to be on the other side of this equation, where the setup is just not performing like it should.

So, even though none of the components on this car were installed by us, I spent a solid 5 hours working and diagnosing this customers car. 3 to 4 hours of which were spent on the dyno, and another hour was spent performing a compression and boost leak test.

The total amount charged was $150 for a 5 hour dyno / diagnostic session. Standard rate for tuning at any reputable shop is $150 per hour, and $75 per hour for diagnostics.

So from my point of view as a business I've been extremely fair, if not generous, as the problems associated with this car are not my fault. Since I started tuning professionally to date I have custom tuned more than 200 cars ranging from Hondas, Subarus, EVOs, and even Sand Rails. I have tuned EVO's that have run 10's on the stock block, and deep into the 11's on the stock turbo. Cars I've tuned have been featured in D sport and Sport Compact Car on numerous occasions.

But even have said that, there is only so much I can do as a tuner. There are certain aspects of tuning that I will not cross for the sake of printing out a dyno sheet for bragging rights. If a car cannot make power with the tuning specifications I know to be safe and powerful, I will not push it further.

With my basemap, an FP green on an EVO9 with very little effort @ 20 psi will make 300 whp on my dyno. My basemap begins as a detuned version of my developed map from previous FP Green cars I've tuned, so for this car to make 250 whp there is likely a physical problem with the car unrelated to tuning.

For a moment I wondered if the dyno itself was off, because the graph was smooth, and all the other elements were in place. This meant no timing was being pulled, safe AFR, and normal boost for the application.

But we took the car on the road, and it indeed was 250 whp worth of acceleration.

So after, going over the car as extensively as I sensibly could, I loaded up a SAFE MODE type map that could be driven on until whatever problem that's holding this car back could be remedied. This is what I would want if I were a customer. I would not want some map that is rigged and pushed for the sake of it having an "FP Green" when my car is not running correctly in the first place.

Andy

 

just FYI this particular dyno is a Dyno Dynamics....where 294whp is good for 114mph trap speed at Sacramento ...

good luck to you guys....i can't think of anything that could be wrong...damn it..

 

Any updates?

Was a baseline done before the upgrade? Sounds like a mechanical problem... I highly doubt it's the FP Green not making the power it should (unless if there is a flaw with the turbo itself).

 

flucks capasitor or check your jiggawatts meter

 

I would recommend replacing the sparkplugs and
draining the fuel tank with another brand of 93 octane gasoline.
Also how many counts of knock where present?
I'm sure there had to be some,which then will give
the knock sensor fits and retard the ignition timing.


Later man