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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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Ah. Ill try that. Thanks senate. Like halfway between? Or what do you recommend?
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by imalancerman
Ah. Ill try that. Thanks senate. Like halfway between? Or what do you recommend?
Well you could either start halfway, see how it runs and then adjust from there. Or, you can start with the Lancer values and scale up from there. Here are stock vs. 501 for visual comparison:

Attached Thumbnails swapped to an eclipse 501 MAF-maf_scaling_comparison.png  
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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Hmm, this ought to be interesting. lol.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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Ok senate. Ive put the halfway values in. Im going to give it trial for a couple days to make sure my gas mileage is ok. My cruising afrs are about 14.5 to 15.3, but my idle afrs are the same which is unusual to me being used to a 16-17 afr at idle. WOT is sitting around 11.9 now too. So imma check the mileage for a couple days and if everything works out, ill post up my values for you for all the NA lancer owners who want to do this swap. Thanks senate for your suggestion.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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So what made it run so rich?
The 501 swap with the values posted on the first thread?
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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Ya, im only na so my system just dumped fuel in and was unable to burn it. We are getting it figured out. If your turboed, the values on the first page are fine, but Im going to try to help out the na guys here.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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K so far ive done about 6 flashes. Im to the point where my WOT is not burying itself in the rich, its sitting at about 12.5 through all the gears. Im also to the point where I can use my cruise control without it burying itself in the rich up a small hill. My first scaling maps threw a lean condition at cruise so my new map is a combination of all kinds. The graph looks funny as hell but its working out so far. No lean condition at cruise or idle and no riching out through the powerband. Probably will need to tinker with it one last time im sure but waiting to see if a CEL is going to sneak up on me. Wish me luck. lol.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 08:23 PM
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Good luck!
Lol
I am going to need the values later on if they do work out for you
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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I will post them for everyone once they are fine tuned. Or as fine tuned as they can be. lol. Im not a MAF scaling wizard ill tell you that, but its running well so far, just have a little bottom end issue going on now.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by imalancerman
K so far ive done about 6 flashes. Im to the point where my WOT is not burying itself in the rich, its sitting at about 12.5 through all the gears. Im also to the point where I can use my cruise control without it burying itself in the rich up a small hill. My first scaling maps threw a lean condition at cruise so my new map is a combination of all kinds. The graph looks funny as hell but its working out so far. No lean condition at cruise or idle and no riching out through the powerband. Probably will need to tinker with it one last time im sure but waiting to see if a CEL is going to sneak up on me. Wish me luck. lol.

wow 12.5! man im boostin at 12.0! glad to see yur coming along and nailing those values. i know that feelin, trying to get my 440's dialed in.

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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 11:05 PM
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Well Im not trying to hit tuned afrs with this, im just trying to get it to work without riching me out and causing misfire. Its kinda throwing off the fuel maps which is why its acting funny. But theyre never that accurate anyways. I actually want to get this to conform to the stock maps so Im going to have to rich it out a little further to make sure that when I tune my ecu, the values wont be off and the tuning will be done correctly. I should actually be at 11.3 according to my fuel maps at WOT. I want to get this as close to accurate as possible. It should be at 12.5 WOT until 3000 rpm where it should shift to 11.3 in the higher rpms. While im enjoying the leaner state, its not quite right. Ill get it done hopefully in the next two days. Ill probably have the right map tomorrow but I want some trial time. As long as it isnt dumping me below 10, I will have succeeded.
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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 12:43 AM
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ya that is true and at that point you will start to feel kinda sluggish in the top end. same thing i had as soon as i put in the 501 with my 5 injector setup. but now runnin 4 440's and after senate gave me a little advise it all came into play nicely.

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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 06:25 AM
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I'm still amazed at how far lancers have come...

Keep up the work guys. Awesome.

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Old Aug 16, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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K so will have a map for you tomorrow if it doesnt throw cels. Ive been working with lusion on sclc.net to figure it out and im pretty much positive we've done it. Car runs champion now.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Alright, so epic fail on my part, it seems like any of the maps that arent the eclipse values run too lean for the system and trigger a cel. I guess the only way to correct the problem is to datalog and tune the fuel maps. Sorry guys, i tried. After about 20 flashes, im a little tired of trying to figure out the values. lol.
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