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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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Ok im not sure why this hasn't been clarify yet since it has been said a lot of times ... but I'll repeated again 4b11t, 4b12 and 4b11 cams are interchangeables a lot of people have done it already thats how a lot of all motor 4b11 are able to reach 170 whp obviously with other modifications like intake header etc. As for the sleeves same sleeves that fit evo x fit 4b11 as well as pistons. just for installing evo x rods you need the evo x crankshaft.

BTW just to clarify the guy that made 386 at 24 psi the same guy that is now running 18 psi his engine is sleeve thats how he is able to handle and mantain that much boost.
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost Viking
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280 whp is the limit if driven hard in CVT mode (not using the paddles/bump shift). I'm sure I don't need to point out that 160 hp at the crank is nowhere near 280 at the wheels, especially with a CVT in the mix. Any engineer worth his salt wouldn't use a transmission if it truly couldn't handle more than 20 hp more than the engine it was mated to. 280 whp is more believable because that's roughly double what a stock engine will put down.

Cams, a tune, and other bolt ons will reduce the life of the transmission if you drive hard and don't take care of it. Of course, driving like a tool and not doing any maintenance will destroy it, even with a stock engine. Change the fluid regularly and don't race at every stop light and you should be fine for years. If you're really worried about it and/or you live in a hot climate, get a bigger trans cooler.
the post i was talking about was 180whp he said the tranny started to "break" at 180, unless he meant 280. if he meant 280 then that makes sense, but with the CVT theres no way 280 is the limit, the RRM CVT lancer was having issues running at the same psi as the MT one. so stock dynos around 135 give or take, plus a average 50whp 185 at the wheels and the CVT was having issues, so im sure 200 at the wheels would be pushing it, boosted that is.

now running all motor im not sure how the CVT will handle that, i dont know enough about how the tranny works to know if the issue is boost specifically or just the power period. i have a feeling its the boost thats the problem, and not necessarily the power
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Destin_sinner
Ok im not sure why this hasn't been clarify yet since it has been said a lot of times ... but I'll repeated again 4b11t, 4b12 and 4b11 cams are interchangeables a lot of people have done it already thats how a lot of all motor 4b11 are able to reach 170 whp obviously with other modifications like intake header etc. As for the sleeves same sleeves that fit evo x fit 4b11 as well as pistons. just for installing evo x rods you need the evo x crankshaft.

BTW just to clarify the guy that made 386 at 24 psi the same guy that is now running 18 psi his engine is sleeve thats how he is able to handle and mantain that much boost.

thank u for the information.
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 06:05 PM
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Exactly by being semi-close they are able to handle more boost which by consequence make them go to 600 whp or whatever whp they have been able to achieve but like you said our engines are not semi close so we cant have high boost without risking blowing the engine because of the piston movement and friction at high boost levels and since our block is open deck = hollow around the cylinders the movement and friction created by the high boost will make the cylinder walls collapse or something will blow... mmm you get the idea of what i want to say. Evo x don't have that problem since the are semi-close = reinforce around the cylinders which means they can handle more boost and not put too much stress to the pistons movement and cylinder walls etc...
dude i know all that, i was just saying, that its funny only such a simple add-on (the small semi-closed reinforcement) makes the block so much stronger....
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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i found evo x rods and pistons for 200 on ebay and a crank for 379

sleeves are close to 600 i may get them next month when im ready to pull the engine and build it
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by yitzac1990
dude i know all that, i was just saying, that its funny only such a simple add-on (the small semi-closed reinforcement) makes the block so much stronger....
Yeap i know is like you say, how can a minor mod can be the difference between boosting high psi and making some serious numbers and breaking your engine trying to do so...
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Any1 in the states done the swap on 2.4l gts cvts yet? would like to know the results.
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Old Feb 9, 2011 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lancer75
i found evo x rods and pistons for 200 on ebay and a crank for 379

sleeves are close to 600 i may get them next month when im ready to pull the engine and build it
i hope you realize that the sleeves dont just drop in.......the block needs to be machined, and old sleeves, cut out, and then the sleeves pressed in. check these guys out, they seem to know their stuff and have good prices for a sleeve + install package:

http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal..._sleeving.html
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Old Feb 9, 2011 | 10:57 AM
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No im well aware lol I know my post count.is.low but thats cause I just started trying to modify my lancer. My cobra has a 5.4 l aluminum block from a gt supercar thats resleeved to 94 mm making it 358 ci. I can build the engine.myself id send.the block out for the work as well as having the crank turned. Thank you though.
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lancer75
No im well aware lol I know my post count.is.low but thats cause I just started trying to modify my lancer. My cobra has a 5.4 l aluminum block from a gt supercar thats resleeved to 94 mm making it 358 ci. I can build the engine.myself id send.the block out for the work as well as having the crank turned. Thank you though.
Where do you send your blocks? I'm not too far from philly and wouldn't mind making the drive up there if its somewhere local to you.
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 09:11 AM
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I.send all my engine work to.john tymensky in novi, mi nothing local
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Old Feb 10, 2011 | 10:39 AM
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Im sure im correct about thia but wanna double check. I can use evo rings and main and rod.bearings with the swap right
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Old Feb 11, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo10HKS
the post i was talking about was 180whp he said the tranny started to "break" at 180, unless he meant 280. if he meant 280 then that makes sense, but with the CVT theres no way 280 is the limit, the RRM CVT lancer was having issues running at the same psi as the MT one. so stock dynos around 135 give or take, plus a average 50whp 185 at the wheels and the CVT was having issues, so im sure 200 at the wheels would be pushing it, boosted that is.

now running all motor im not sure how the CVT will handle that, i dont know enough about how the tranny works to know if the issue is boost specifically or just the power period. i have a feeling its the boost thats the problem, and not necessarily the power
i meant 180 whp in a 5 speed.they race their car every time they can(every time)
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Old Feb 12, 2011 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by derrickeliu
i meant 180 whp in a 5 speed.they race their car every time they can(every time)
Is it possible that the clutch was just getting weak? Stock clutch + 50 additional hp + lots of racing = a worn out clutch.

As with anything, if you are using (abusing) it beyond what the engineers designed for, there's a good change that you could experience premature failure. A little bit of maintenance and a little bit of care to avoid shock loads will go a long ways.
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Old Feb 12, 2011 | 09:35 PM
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yeah, plus i wouldnt be beating on my car with these anyway. im gonna go ahead and purchase the cams so i'll at least have them. just finding someone to properly tune the car with them is going to be the challange
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