^ yeah that is true...though...i cant really compare it wwith the RA's yet...if i can find the whole of the RA in tact at a junkyard...i would be bringing home a new enigine...especially cus thats all i want the RA for is the motor...lol....but yeah you ar right about having more in common with the current eclipse than the evo...

 

Your going to end up spending WAY TOO MUCH.. for the money youll spend swaping..you can throw so much **** into the engine.. youll prob. get more power by upgrading parts then swaping.. and second,you shouldnt throw in a old engine into a new car

 

and if your thinking about getting an evo engine into your car.. just keep dreaming... that **** will run you in the 5 figures

 

I think it would be possible to run an entire drivetrain, but, it'd be expensive as hell. Maybe in about 10 years. Like I said, I think it'd be more likely to be looking at getting a whole 4G64 drivetrain from an Eclipse, and then maybe swapping a MIVEC head. Again, very expensive. Then, adapting the suspension would be a bastard and a half.

 

Also, it may have some similarities to the evo in that it is the same block family as the 4G63 (in fact the 4G64 is little more than a SOHC bored-out NA version), but, remember that the Eclipse would be a more likely swap since it is a FWD vehicle versus AWD. Likely, possible, but simply not cost effective. I believe that for far less money, you could build a reliable 4G94 with a turbo.

 

the thing is that...mitsumicheal7 and i were thinking that the 4g64 and the 4g94 share the same motor mounts and that should bolt right up....ive search around for prices on the engine and 900 isnt bad(if it bolts right up) to get an exta 40hp to the crank...i mean how much have you spent to get you i/h/e that gave you how much power?...prolly arouund 30 or so...so its not that bad of a price(if it bolts up)...then imagine all your other possiblities after that...

AND...i never said i was putting or thinking about putting an evo motor in...THATs why it clearly say 4g64

 

so that takes us back to square1 ... is it really possible?

 

Again, when talking about the 4G64, you may as well be asking about bolting in an Evo engine.

Why?

4 = 4 Cylinders
G = Generation
6 = Block Family
* = variation

Now, the 4G63 will share the same block as the 4G64. In many ways, the 4G64 is a higher displacement, SOHC, Naturally aspirated 4G63. Obviously, there are numerous tuning differences, but, for the most part, that's your answer. Like I said previously, you would probably do better to find a 4G63 from a FWD DSM, and bolt that in. It would probably be about the same amount (outrageous, in other words), and garner better results.

We are not Honda.

We do not just bolt in. It goes beyond engine mounts. It goes to transmissions, differentials, axles, hub assemblies, suspensions... How much further should I go? It's not as simple as sliding out a 4G94 and sliding in a 4G63. It's just not. Also, I believe bahamut had said at one time that even within the same cars and generations, it is difficult to switch engines. Mitsu has been known to change transmission rotations, starter locations, etc. So, in other words, can it be done? YES. Is it the best/most cost effective thing to do? Absolutely not.

 

And I just reread your post. The work that would be involved for a swap would be well over 4K. That could be a turbo kit which could get you up to 120 extra WHP.

Folks, I know that we've all read different Hybrid guides, and it sounds like a wonderful idea, but, fact is, welcome to reality. This is not cheap. It is not easy. It is not as easy as spending 900 bucks and dropping it in like a crate engine on your dad's GM. There is much more to this. Trust me, I've been around for a LONG time, and seen every argument, and heard so many people say "Well, I'll show you all, I'll be back in 6 months with a 4G6* engine." You know how many have come back? Give you two guesses, but, I bet you'll only need one.

Now, I'll bet you're going "Here's just another nay-sayer." Look, you wanna waste your cash, go right ahead. I'm just trying to save a fellow Lancer driver a few bucks, and some embaressment.

 

This is a very confusing thread. I'll try my best to plow through it.

IMO, Lan Evo has the best writeup on either the US or import G63T in the enitire web kingdom. Please do read it.

To make it AWD in America w/ such swap, it usually costs around 10-13 grand. Look at car show w/ a mitsu engine swap . . . make sure you look at the firewall too. Then, look at the owner. Can you ever match his profession in gross income?

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/an...p?s=&forumid=9


From looking at past pics of Evo 4-6, there are few parts off the previous eclipse/galants, not much. You'll be surprise how much those Evo are close related to the US mirage & overseas lancer.

The Evo 7-8 should be close to the US Lancer & JPN Cedia. As for the RA, statements of it being close to the 3g eclipse might be true since the G69 is only American market motor, if I'm correct. JPN and overseas just like smaller displacement and gimmicky valvetrain.


Here are some of the swaps in US mirage to probable future.
Amongst the 4g mirage, people have swapped a Gen 1 G64, DSM G63T, hybrid G63/64, and Evo 2 & 3 motors.

Amongst the 5g, people have swapped a gen 2 G92 MIVEC, gen 2 G64 (tons of bugs that need to be worked out), G94, and Evo 4-6 G63T.

Currently, there is some debate that a G69 can fit inside the mirage. We have no proof either for or against it, just tons of logical deduction.


This is part 1 of the discussion.

 

As for the motor mounts from the gen 2 G64 (starter is on the tranny) that was placed inside a DE mirage coupe (our starter is the block), all the mounts are the same, except the tranny mount. 1-2 inches off if I remember correctly.

Then again, the lancer has a bit different engine bay size than a mirage. Have to ask Adam who has swapped a G94 inside his mirage.

Swap for the lancer. I don't think it fiscally good to swap your motor for a G64. Yes, it's a nice bump in power, but it's not really enough, unless blowing up a G94. A G69 is different. Go for it.

For a mirage guys, it's a nice jump from a 1.5L making a pultry 92 HP to tons of TQ in either a G94 or G64. For the 1.8L, those aren't really good, unless from a blown engine. Even a G92 MIVEC doesn't really move the G93 guys, unless the temptation of hybrid (like me when my car was killed, but my motor was still stout). TC was more tried and true.


I always wanted to throw the gauntlet for the 3g eclipse guys. W/ all of these new Mitsu motors, they are far more conservative in modding. A 3g can easily swallow an Evo G63T within its engine bay. At least, hybrid the bad boy and try to show up DSM'ers a bit. The same G69 should be a shoe fit w/ nice transplanting for the RS/GS model, unless changing the bolt alignment pattern. It should be as easy as the KA24E using KA24DE parts.

 

I have to ask one question, why was this an interesting swap Nexus? Its for the most part a 400cc displacement increase, both are SOHC, both are NA. At one time I owned (well my wife and I owned) a 03 Lancer, and a 02 Eclipse GS, now granted I dont know the weight of both cars but the Eclipse wasn't impressive at all, being rated at 160hp I believe. If its for parts availability for the 4G64 powered Eclipse you can for the most part only use internals since bolt-ons are contoured to the engine bay of the car. Just my .02

 

its not really important to me but if you can gain some from an engine like this then i guess its good just thinking of different possibilitites...then lancers will have more possibilities of tuning

 

3g weight: manual - auto tranny add 60-80 lbs

RS: 2935
GS: 2985
GT: 3120

 

The reasons for doing a swap really are to either gain more parts options, more initial power, or more power potential. These all weigh against price of said swap. If you could "max" out your car for less, and gain more performance, then that, logically, would be the smart move.