evo = 4g93 doesn't it? not 4g63?

 

yeah there are different types of the g63

 

evo is the 4G63t...

 

ok seriously, whjere are you getting anything about a 4G63?? Never was that ever talked about really getting done. We want to put in the 4G64 from the 2000 Eclipse. No complete front clip just a motor.

 

No, the evo is a 4G63! the motor is similar to the Eclipse of 89-99 turbo but with improvements to internals and a change in orientation.

 

Okay, "seriously" what I'm saying is that you're talking about using a 4G64 which is in the same engine block family as the 4G63. The difference is that if you're so certain that you can drop in a 4G64, then maybe you can use the whole engine from some other part of the 4G6* family, and maybe gain more than 40 hp. Why is this so hard for you to understand? I've been trying to explain this to you for the whole thread, and you still don't get it. It's not that complicated.

And I still am willing to bet that a front clip would be the only "sure" way to do this swap. At least, it would probably be the easiest way, if not the least expensive. I really am unsure about all of this just bolting in together this easily.

 

OK, let me do a little rundown now for you as to what you are saying isnt ANYWHERE in the realm of the same cost. I am going to assume that you are being serious and not talking **** so that this stays productive. So now here is why you CANT just bolt in the 4G63T and keep it cost effective and why you can bolt in the 4G64 and keep it cost effective.

1. Yes the 4G64 and the 4G63 are in the same family, but in 2000 the 4G64 flipped orientation in the engine bay. (meaning basically that the tranny went from the paaenger side to the drivers side) This also occured in the Evo in Japan after I believe the Evo 5 (I might be a little off there) previously to that the Eclipse turbo and the Evo shared the same basic engine. That engine in the older Eclipse turbo is also labelled a 4G63, but that engine WILL NOT work for this transplant. (anything can happen with enough $$$ but we are trying to be inexpensive here)

2. Now we know that in order to bolt in a turbo 4G63 motor, the motor has to come out of the Evolution and NOT the Eclipse. There is NO turbo Eclipse motor that will go in easily. The cost of the Evo motor that we will have to use is probably going to start somewhere in the realm of $3K(probably more and that is probably w/out turbo. I think Road Race was selling COMPLETE motors ready for drop in to the 3g Eclipse for like $7K) Now automatically the cost of the motor alone takes this project out of the desired price range. But for a REAL quick rundown of added cost here goes...IC piping $500, Intercooler $500, clutch $400, etc. etc. etc...(that is assuming that the Lancer tranny will bolt up to the block AND it will survive with that kind of power addition

3. Next, the 4G64 out of the 2000 Eclipse is costing somewhere in the $700 range (MUCH MUCH less $$$ than Evo motor) and also doesnt require to finish a turbo system. Also, if the lancer tranny bolts up to the block, it isnt such a HUGE power jump that the tranny will just disintigrate upon your first launch down the street. The block isnt exaactly the same as the Lancer but the design is DAMN NEAR. The head and wiring setup we are learning more and more is nearly identical. These all make this swap easier.

The reason why this swap is worth the money is pretty simple, you increase all power output and possible power output DRAMATICALLY by going with a larger stroke. This swap is similar to what Honda Owners do every day when they swap the LS integra B18 in their cars instead of their EX Civic D16 motor. 30HP and 30 TQ and the possibility for more power is there. Also, this could end up being cheaper for us to do than the B18 swap is for Civics.

 

y don't you just find a "hot swapable" (meaning "bolt-on" for you word challenged ppl) engine by asking some mitsu reps???

 

Okay, that's the correct answer. I was making sure you had at least some grasp on why this may not work. Honestly, I've been around a long time, and heard the same thing over and over again. I apologize if I was testing you a bit heavy. However, I'm not just talking ****, but, seriously, this seems to be alot of work for 40 hp. Especially considering that pretty much anything below/beyond basic internal engine work will require fabrication since parts will be made for the eclipse. My point is this: a cam upgrade, basic breathing mods, etc, you may reach a similar performance goal for less money.

Again, I apologize for playing Devil's advocate, but, understand that there are a ton of people who have come through the forums and just think that any other mitsu engine is "hot swapable". I still wonder if this swap will be possible without a full clip, but, we'll see.

 

your forgetting about... wiring harnesses, the 4g64 ecu, the transmission most likely will not fit...and you wouldn't even want to keep the 4g94's tranny..if your smart that is. (weak).

then you'll run into stupid problems like clips won't match up from parts you left in that are from the origional 4g94 harness and such.

thats why your best bet it to get a whole front clip and swap everything out and replace everything under the hood. at least thats what i'm doing with my car and the evo 4 front clip i have.

 

thats why i brought thia subject up...dont be sorry at all...thats why this forums are here....thats why input is needed...not...though i dont think that the whole clip will be needed...we will see once i get the money...and 700 dollars is not bad for 40 hp....again ive spend around 600 on i/h/x and thats was prolly less than 40 right?...so we will see...its just an option for lancers to do something different...and more part options
hell if people were willing to chip in a little money on this project i would be more than happy to loose my car for a couple of days

 

its going to take more then a couple of days with all the problems you should be expecting. i'm expecting my car to be out of comission for at least a month.

 

also your probably going to need to get custom axels made...to stand up to the power and to fit correctly. i don;t think the spindles are the same either with the lancer's wheel bearing and the one thats in the 4g64 tranny. oh and also i think for some reason i have to swap out the suspension...thats another reason why i got the full evo clip. everything has to line up perfectly. so theres going to be a **** load of custom work to be done. thats why its taking me so long to get all this together..i'm saving up a lot to make sure i have enough to back me up if something doesn't go right and it needs more custom work.

 

hey its OK about the testing and I know what you mean by a LOT of people coming around running at the mouth, but rest assured that I am not just throwing **** out for the sake of doing it. I have been involved in Mitsu's for a while, not knowing EVERYTHING, but knowing enough. I play Devils advocate all the time with my friends so I know how it is, but this motor is the one to try if one is going to be tried. Now if you have read previous posts, it has been pretty much determined that the wiring harness is the same. It is also pretty obvious that the ignition system is the same, and the guys who have done similar things in the Mirage have shown positive results. I also believe that the tranny will bolt up to the motor, which will save a LOT of trouble. The Lancer tranny will be more than adequate for a power upgrade like this. That tranny is taking turbo's, so it sure can take a little more displacement. Also, there is NO WAY you are getting 40HP out of H/I/E on that car. NO WAY!! Those pieces are gonna cost somewhere in the same realm of this motor alone, with less effectiveness. You can easily get 170HP out of this motor with H/I/E. What do you have to do to a Lancer to get 170HP??? One work answer there...Boost! So now lets stop playing devils advocate and realize that this IS in fact possible, and lets try and put all these intelligent heads together and figure out EXACTLY what will and what wont work. This is worth EVERY dollar and EVERy minute if it works, and I believe it will. Hell, if I had a regular Lancer my car would already be on the shelf in peices. What is there to lose? A couple days doing real hands on research? Motor can be sold if it doesnt work. If it does work the stock Lancer motor can be sold to make up for the costs also. COME ON GUYS!! Lets see someone take some innitiative and do something different and worthwhile.

 

well like i said i'm putting the 4G63 in because it is a motor worth swapping. you'll know what works and what doesn't in a few months when it is complete.