4g64 for 03?
Call him. One thing we can all say about Rob is that if you EVER have any questions, he is there to help, and this might actually be something that interests him so we can probably get a good detailed answer.
when i talked to LB he was running between 2 Ecu's the 4G93 and 4G94....i really dont see how anyone would use the 4G15 Ecu there are plenty of differences between the 2 motors to make it sensless to use it...i think you are wrong there...4G15 doesnt even use Coil-Packs that alone would be enough for me to have sense not to use it...
-Adam
-Adam
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Joined this post late, so I will just drop my 2 psi worth and go.
I had spoken to Nick, the guys in South Florida, in length about this swap for my 4G93, as I was considering doing it, and I had found a complete motor with 18K miles for 350 bucks. However, I was already knee deep in 4G93 parts so it was not financially feasible to do it. You do NOT need the full front clip to do the swap. Possibilities of hybrids exist. There is a Mirage running around with a 2.4L 4G63, even tho it is the previous generation of our cars. It is possible because Nick confirmed (and I saw it with my own eye) the Evo manifold bolts up to the 4G64 block easily, as does the head.
If anyone is going to do a swap, I would advise this swap. Like I said, I explored it extensively and was I -- I <------ that close to doing it but I was already nose deep in Mirage parts, including rods and pistons on the way and it would not have been financially feasible to do it.
Joined this post late, so I will just drop my 2 psi worth and go.
I had spoken to Nick, the guys in South Florida, in length about this swap for my 4G93, as I was considering doing it, and I had found a complete motor with 18K miles for 350 bucks. However, I was already knee deep in 4G93 parts so it was not financially feasible to do it. You do NOT need the full front clip to do the swap. Possibilities of hybrids exist. There is a Mirage running around with a 2.4L 4G63, even tho it is the previous generation of our cars. It is possible because Nick confirmed (and I saw it with my own eye) the Evo manifold bolts up to the 4G64 block easily, as does the head.
If anyone is going to do a swap, I would advise this swap. Like I said, I explored it extensively and was I -- I <------ that close to doing it but I was already nose deep in Mirage parts, including rods and pistons on the way and it would not have been financially feasible to do it.
-Adam
I am confused too. Is there a question or is everyone telling about swap combos that are possible? I have heard a couple stories too. May have something helpful for you.
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Rob
main concern was about the ECU hanling the motor...the maf(from the lancer) being sufficient and not getting enough air to the motor and the tranny bolting right up....
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Rob...since MMC is kinda nice to you guys...how much do you think they'll sell you a motor (4g64 from a 03 eclipse for) new?
main concern was about the ECU hanling the motor...the maf(from the lancer) being sufficient and not getting enough air to the motor and the tranny bolting right up....
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Rob...since MMC is kinda nice to you guys...how much do you think they'll sell you a motor (4g64 from a 03 eclipse for) new?
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ECUs are very similar but not the same. Some sensors calibrate differently. Why do I know this? Because we had to prove it to AEM about their EMS. Same box is sold by them for Lancer and 3G Eclipse. But there are differences. Their 3G box would not even start my Drag Lancer. That should kinda prove it. As for motors. MMC would give me a motor if I asked for one but I don't wanna use up favors without good reason.... LIKE I NEED IT BAD!
Hope that clears it up.
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Hope that clears it up.
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AQ,
Wait a min. I thought Nick ran a G93 ecu w/ the G64. How can a 12 valves ecu run a 16 valve ecu? The lesser ecu wouldn't know what to do w/ the extra opening and closing of valve per cyl.
Don't use a smaller MAS on the G64. Every mitsu ecu is very fickle on their factory performance figure. Otherwise, it will throw a CEL for the MAS as a "malfunctioning unit".
As for the RRE ecu on the G64 that was meant for a aggressive G94, don't do it. Cam lobe and power making stroke will be very different.
Wait a min. I thought Nick ran a G93 ecu w/ the G64. How can a 12 valves ecu run a 16 valve ecu? The lesser ecu wouldn't know what to do w/ the extra opening and closing of valve per cyl.
Don't use a smaller MAS on the G64. Every mitsu ecu is very fickle on their factory performance figure. Otherwise, it will throw a CEL for the MAS as a "malfunctioning unit".
As for the RRE ecu on the G64 that was meant for a aggressive G94, don't do it. Cam lobe and power making stroke will be very different.
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http://www.4g64.150m.com/curtspyder.html
Here's a link on the hybrid, but it's for the previous gen motor.
Again, there are similar principles. The 3g G64 in the eclipse must grab the E4-8 ecu, use the 399 MAF (smaller pin plug), and the cyl head off the E4-8.
Otherwise, I still believe the 3g eclipse guys can drop an E8 motor in their car. Their engine bay can swallow a 6 banger, and the Evo motor isn't as large as a 6 banger.
For the mirage guys, we have been around since the early 90's with no support from the factory or performance shop until the late 90's. We did all such experiments with many success and failure.
Just like the DSM'ers, we listen to their experience, because they have crashed, destroyed, and burned up tons of motors and cars than any mirager can ever dream up as a collective whole.
It will take awhile for the lancer guys to break as much stuff as the mirage, and there is no way that either mirage and lancer can catch the experience amongst DSM.
DSM > Mirage > Lancer
That's the ranking of experience.
Here's a link on the hybrid, but it's for the previous gen motor.
Again, there are similar principles. The 3g G64 in the eclipse must grab the E4-8 ecu, use the 399 MAF (smaller pin plug), and the cyl head off the E4-8.
Otherwise, I still believe the 3g eclipse guys can drop an E8 motor in their car. Their engine bay can swallow a 6 banger, and the Evo motor isn't as large as a 6 banger.
For the mirage guys, we have been around since the early 90's with no support from the factory or performance shop until the late 90's. We did all such experiments with many success and failure.
Just like the DSM'ers, we listen to their experience, because they have crashed, destroyed, and burned up tons of motors and cars than any mirager can ever dream up as a collective whole.
It will take awhile for the lancer guys to break as much stuff as the mirage, and there is no way that either mirage and lancer can catch the experience amongst DSM.
DSM > Mirage > Lancer
That's the ranking of experience.
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Rob,
there have been a lot of people trying to add to a basic premis of this thread. The basics are that we want to know how easily the 4G64 in its basic stock form can be swapped into the base lancer. Basically, will the ECU on the Lancer work or do we need the one from the Eclipse? Will the Lancer tranny bolt to the engine? Will the Lancer MAS work on the new engine? We think we have answered a lot of questions here, but these are still floating out there and we dont want to tear a car apart for what is supposed to be a weekend job and turn it into a month adventure! Thanks bro.
there have been a lot of people trying to add to a basic premis of this thread. The basics are that we want to know how easily the 4G64 in its basic stock form can be swapped into the base lancer. Basically, will the ECU on the Lancer work or do we need the one from the Eclipse? Will the Lancer tranny bolt to the engine? Will the Lancer MAS work on the new engine? We think we have answered a lot of questions here, but these are still floating out there and we dont want to tear a car apart for what is supposed to be a weekend job and turn it into a month adventure! Thanks bro.
Yeah I know what the RRM ECU does... read the edit for christs sake. It's sounding like the best bet would be to actually swap out the ECU's as well as the MAS just as a safety precaution to potentially damaging the new (used) engine. Not sure I would want to take the chance. Then again the mas on a 94 can handle psi of turbo, don't see why it wouldn't be able to take this. More worried about the ECU taking care of the difference in cams (if any). Information on this is probably necessary. If they are fairly close I don't see a problem, but if the profiles out......
If you guys haven't noticed I'm pretty new to
I can put a 454 in a Nova no sweat, but the whole computer thing is what bothers me.
Those transmision codes were fairly similar which is reassuring, is that eclipse code for an auto? did they make a manual? Is the lancer auto the same code? I'm sure you will say NO to most of these but worth a shot. That about sums that up I think.
little more info on tranny......
wiring diagrams......
new (used) engine.
If you guys haven't noticed I'm pretty new to
I can put a 454 in a Nova no sweat, but the whole computer thing is what bothers me.Those transmision codes were fairly similar which is reassuring, is that eclipse code for an auto? did they make a manual? Is the lancer auto the same code? I'm sure you will say NO to most of these but worth a shot. That about sums that up I think.
little more info on tranny......
wiring diagrams......
new (used) engine.
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Why is everyone wanting to nickel and dime the swap? Just use the parts on the original used motor. Besides, most of the stuff is self-evident. This swap is not within the same engine family block when you can actually retain parts off the original G94.
Believe me, anytime you mess w/ the MAF . . . there will be a CEL. Either the airflow is too low or too much over the factory performance perimeter.
Rhyzin,
you messed up a bit. That's an auto tranny for the eclipse. I don't think mitsu made a 4 spd manual since the early 90's.
Believe me, anytime you mess w/ the MAF . . . there will be a CEL. Either the airflow is too low or too much over the factory performance perimeter.
Rhyzin,
you messed up a bit. That's an auto tranny for the eclipse. I don't think mitsu made a 4 spd manual since the early 90's.