4g64 for 03?
I will email Nick and see what he says. when he emailed me about it, he has said he was using a stock ECU and I know that stock, his car was a 1.5... will double check that and find out tho.
AdamJ39, you know I am talking about the yellow 4th gen Mirage, the one Jerry has, when I talk about the hybridized 2.4L 4G63. I am sure you have heard about his car and the insane numbers he is throwing down on pump gas. It will work, the 4G64 block and the 4G63 Evo 8 head. Just a matter of time before one of us (a Mirager or a Lancer'er) does it.
Well said. reminds me of a nice green turbo'ed Mirage that has been through about a million engines. 
AdamJ39, you know I am talking about the yellow 4th gen Mirage, the one Jerry has, when I talk about the hybridized 2.4L 4G63. I am sure you have heard about his car and the insane numbers he is throwing down on pump gas. It will work, the 4G64 block and the 4G63 Evo 8 head. Just a matter of time before one of us (a Mirager or a Lancer'er) does it.
For the mirage guys, we have been around since the early 90's with no support from the factory or performance shop until the late 90's. We did all such experiments with many success and failure.
Just like the DSM'ers, we listen to their experience, because they have crashed, destroyed, and burned up tons of motors and cars than any mirager can ever dream up as a collective whole.
It will take awhile for the lancer guys to break as much stuff as the mirage, and there is no way that either mirage and lancer can catch the experience amongst DSM.
DSM > Mirage > Lancer
That's the ranking of experience.
Just like the DSM'ers, we listen to their experience, because they have crashed, destroyed, and burned up tons of motors and cars than any mirager can ever dream up as a collective whole.
It will take awhile for the lancer guys to break as much stuff as the mirage, and there is no way that either mirage and lancer can catch the experience amongst DSM.
DSM > Mirage > Lancer
That's the ranking of experience.
oops, my bad again. i did quick searches on the internet.
after searching again i found one link that had a F5M42 in an eclipse(and in the lancer) and a couple that had F4A51. there's a lot of links that posted the F4A42 in the auto, which is both in the lancer and eclipse. so the auto for sure is in both while i can't find more than one source that says the same about the 5 speed.
after searching again i found one link that had a F5M42 in an eclipse(and in the lancer) and a couple that had F4A51. there's a lot of links that posted the F4A42 in the auto, which is both in the lancer and eclipse. so the auto for sure is in both while i can't find more than one source that says the same about the 5 speed.
Rhyzin, if your search was correct about the auto being the same then the manual should follow suit otherwise a diff. bolt pattern would be needed on the block. Only thing that maybe different would be the gears and that's a big maybe. Does that make sense?
This is good news though, tranny by all rights should mate.
Now what's left is the wiring. A full swap of the ECU is probably the best idea, I am sure. But the pin-outs are different, correct? And since I don't have any luck the size and shape of the connectors will probably be different also. If anyone knows for sure I'm sure they would have already said something by now. May have to go to the junkyard and find the correct ECU, and cut the wires leading to it so that something of a harness or soldering job can be done. I really don't think that the 94 ECU can handle this job, or I just don't want to risk it. Prolly the latter. Any better idea's?
This is good news though, tranny by all rights should mate.
Now what's left is the wiring. A full swap of the ECU is probably the best idea, I am sure. But the pin-outs are different, correct? And since I don't have any luck the size and shape of the connectors will probably be different also. If anyone knows for sure I'm sure they would have already said something by now. May have to go to the junkyard and find the correct ECU, and cut the wires leading to it so that something of a harness or soldering job can be done. I really don't think that the 94 ECU can handle this job, or I just don't want to risk it. Prolly the latter. Any better idea's?
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Two major hurddles on the G64:
1) it has an immobilizer. W/o the ecu and its associated electronics, the motor won't fire up. If I'm correct, Nick by-passed it using the G93 ecu; basically, it runs the G64 as a G93, not really optimal performance.
2) The G64 tranny has a starter on it while the The G9x has its starter on the block. I don't know how Nick by-passed it or using which one.
Edit: Here's a link of his photo album on his swap to give you some idea.
http://www.mirageforums.net/phpBB2/a...hp?user_id=429
Nick had a 1.5 liter engine and bought two set of G64 and its tranny, originally bought an auto before the manual.
We, miragers, believed some of the stress will be reduced for amongst G9x owners, unlike for G15 owners.
1) it has an immobilizer. W/o the ecu and its associated electronics, the motor won't fire up. If I'm correct, Nick by-passed it using the G93 ecu; basically, it runs the G64 as a G93, not really optimal performance.
2) The G64 tranny has a starter on it while the The G9x has its starter on the block. I don't know how Nick by-passed it or using which one.
Edit: Here's a link of his photo album on his swap to give you some idea.
http://www.mirageforums.net/phpBB2/a...hp?user_id=429
Nick had a 1.5 liter engine and bought two set of G64 and its tranny, originally bought an auto before the manual.
We, miragers, believed some of the stress will be reduced for amongst G9x owners, unlike for G15 owners.
Last edited by bahamut; Apr 3, 2004 at 06:56 AM.
the hurdle with the wiring harness isnt in the ECu...as far as we have found and discovered so far. The hurdle with wiring is in the MAS and that is a maybe. We might have to cut and splice the MAS plug, unless I am misinterpreting.
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No. The MAS plug is the same as ours. Look at Rhyzin's mod and my former car. Mitsu used the smaller pin plug for all their modern NA cars, exception in the cali spec Evo 8 (never seen one in person of such version).
This information on the starter is discouraging. I was hoping to only have to swap out the block assembly, not the transmission as well. So both items will need to be swapped. Then axles and and axle length comes into play. I'm pretty sure the eclipse is significantly wider than the lancer, unless the teeth on the axles have the same count and they are the same diameter, which I doubt. Very discouraging Bahamut, custom axles is not a road I wish to go down$$$$$$$$$$.
Anymore ideas on this?
I don't think the immobilizer will be a problem considering there will prolly be an ECU swap to maximize the effectiveness of the new engine, plus any minor upgrades (headers, intake, cam, piggyback for ECU) will respond most with the ECU meant for that engine. I think the 94 ECU would run rampant just trying to keep up with the engine let alone any mods to that engine.
Keep the ideas coming
and thanks for the help from all you miragers out there!
Anymore ideas on this?
I don't think the immobilizer will be a problem considering there will prolly be an ECU swap to maximize the effectiveness of the new engine, plus any minor upgrades (headers, intake, cam, piggyback for ECU) will respond most with the ECU meant for that engine. I think the 94 ECU would run rampant just trying to keep up with the engine let alone any mods to that engine.
Keep the ideas coming
and thanks for the help from all you miragers out there!
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Nick’s correspondence
This motor is VERY exhaust sensitive. When I ran a straight header, it felt hardly any quicker than my 1.5L. I was so pissed. When the exhaust was connected, still all hacked up right now, I didn’t realize its speed until passing someone, and the car flew! I dont think I had a smile that big in a long time!
I have a galant motor, and it didn’t mate to the 5spd tranny. I believed that all the 2000+ should be fine as mine was produced in 1999. But I can’t say for sure. If it’s possible to see the motor, look at the end of the crank (tranny side). If it sticks out in the middle, it WON’T work. If it is indented, it should be fine.
I could probably do this swap myself in 4 or 5 hours tops if I had all the right parts from the start. Since I was shooting in the dark, it took me about 2 weeks (plus previous prep work to the harness and etc). The only things you won’t be able to have ready, unless buying spare parts: the axles and harness. The harness you really don’t need to change much, except for some sensor clips . . . "ghetto" it, unless you want to buy an eclipse harness as well to swap off the clips.
So far on the translation. There are a few more, but I'm tired.
This motor is VERY exhaust sensitive. When I ran a straight header, it felt hardly any quicker than my 1.5L. I was so pissed. When the exhaust was connected, still all hacked up right now, I didn’t realize its speed until passing someone, and the car flew! I dont think I had a smile that big in a long time!
I have a galant motor, and it didn’t mate to the 5spd tranny. I believed that all the 2000+ should be fine as mine was produced in 1999. But I can’t say for sure. If it’s possible to see the motor, look at the end of the crank (tranny side). If it sticks out in the middle, it WON’T work. If it is indented, it should be fine.
I could probably do this swap myself in 4 or 5 hours tops if I had all the right parts from the start. Since I was shooting in the dark, it took me about 2 weeks (plus previous prep work to the harness and etc). The only things you won’t be able to have ready, unless buying spare parts: the axles and harness. The harness you really don’t need to change much, except for some sensor clips . . . "ghetto" it, unless you want to buy an eclipse harness as well to swap off the clips.
So far on the translation. There are a few more, but I'm tired.
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The 2nd part. I had to translate and make it better w/ proper English from 6 pages of dialogue.
The mirage and eclipse axles have different spline shafts. You have to have custom axles. I took my mirage axles and a set of eclipse axles and had them put the eclipse half shafts on the mirage axle. This was determined to be the easiest way.
What is wrong with the starter location? It fits right where it is supposed to. There is no way to fit it on the back of the motor like the mirage/lancer, because there is a balance shaft in that area, blocking with its huge bulge.
Another option, I haven’t looked extensively on it, because my tranny is already on the car. But you could, in theory, take the bell housing off of the 4g64 tranny and put it on any of the mirage/lancer tranny. The problem with this is that I don’t think mitsu sells just the bell housing. You have to buy the whole tranny. So if you have the eclipse tranny, I don’t see any reason you would want to change it.
Lastly, the tranny from the 4g64 is not the same. Just base the same exterior dimensions and connections and etc. The internal gearing and everything else is slightly different.
Finished it.
The mirage and eclipse axles have different spline shafts. You have to have custom axles. I took my mirage axles and a set of eclipse axles and had them put the eclipse half shafts on the mirage axle. This was determined to be the easiest way.
What is wrong with the starter location? It fits right where it is supposed to. There is no way to fit it on the back of the motor like the mirage/lancer, because there is a balance shaft in that area, blocking with its huge bulge.
Another option, I haven’t looked extensively on it, because my tranny is already on the car. But you could, in theory, take the bell housing off of the 4g64 tranny and put it on any of the mirage/lancer tranny. The problem with this is that I don’t think mitsu sells just the bell housing. You have to buy the whole tranny. So if you have the eclipse tranny, I don’t see any reason you would want to change it.
Lastly, the tranny from the 4g64 is not the same. Just base the same exterior dimensions and connections and etc. The internal gearing and everything else is slightly different.
Finished it.
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What you need:
Eclipse motor and tranny (if the lancer trannies bolt onto mirages, which I beleive they do, then you CANT bolt it onto the eclipse motor)
eclipse starter which goes on the front of the engine because there is a balence shaft housing on the back of the engine.
Custom axles (lancer axles with eclipse spline shafts) The lancer axles might even plug right in. But I havent tried this, so custom will definately work.
motor side mount
and then some other little things, like the throttle cable, and exhaust downpipe and etc.
I had to get a slimline condensor fan. But I think the lancers have a bit more room under the hood than me. So you might be ok.
Electronics I used:
Mirage 1.8l computer
mirage 1.8l harness slightly modified
mirage 1.8l MAF to use with FPR
I am currently using a eclipse 2.4l MAF with no restrictor and an AFC
For you lancer guys, You should be able to use all your stock electronics if you switch off the cam position sensor with the one from the lancer engine onto the eclipse engine. <--- this is a guess because I tried the lancer ECU on my car and it would run, but was throwing random misfire codes like crazy.
adamj93 (is that right? sorry dude) had the same problem when running a lancer motor with mirage electornics. His cure was to chance the lancer CAM sensor to the mirage one. So if we do the opposite for you lancer guys it should work the same way.
Please feel free to correct me if I have it wrong adam.
You COULD use all the mirage electronics like me. But then you will have to do some rewireing to get your fans and AC to work properly. The fans are controlled by the little silver box on the back of the radiator fan. While the mirage controls the fans direct from the ecu. Basically the plugs on the ECU plug up, but they are pinned slightly different.
Eclipse motor and tranny (if the lancer trannies bolt onto mirages, which I beleive they do, then you CANT bolt it onto the eclipse motor)
eclipse starter which goes on the front of the engine because there is a balence shaft housing on the back of the engine.
Custom axles (lancer axles with eclipse spline shafts) The lancer axles might even plug right in. But I havent tried this, so custom will definately work.
motor side mount
and then some other little things, like the throttle cable, and exhaust downpipe and etc.
I had to get a slimline condensor fan. But I think the lancers have a bit more room under the hood than me. So you might be ok.
Electronics I used:
Mirage 1.8l computer
mirage 1.8l harness slightly modified
mirage 1.8l MAF to use with FPR
I am currently using a eclipse 2.4l MAF with no restrictor and an AFC
For you lancer guys, You should be able to use all your stock electronics if you switch off the cam position sensor with the one from the lancer engine onto the eclipse engine. <--- this is a guess because I tried the lancer ECU on my car and it would run, but was throwing random misfire codes like crazy.
adamj93 (is that right? sorry dude) had the same problem when running a lancer motor with mirage electornics. His cure was to chance the lancer CAM sensor to the mirage one. So if we do the opposite for you lancer guys it should work the same way.
Please feel free to correct me if I have it wrong adam.
You COULD use all the mirage electronics like me. But then you will have to do some rewireing to get your fans and AC to work properly. The fans are controlled by the little silver box on the back of the radiator fan. While the mirage controls the fans direct from the ecu. Basically the plugs on the ECU plug up, but they are pinned slightly different.
i dunno if you guys have seen this on ebay...just though someone in here might be interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33615