tru....go with the evo iv+ motor. you'll be saving yourself TONS of money

 

i say lets flamer AFTER he cant do it, notb4

 

just get ralliart motor swap 2-4k, turbo it 4k- 250 whp.. nuff said.

or spend 5k on rrm stage 2 turbo 220-235whp.. nuff said

 

...you said " 'nuff said" twice, Mr. Illiteration.

 

wow u guys are not being too optimistic here... if he and his fabricator say that they have the equipment and the connections to do this.... just sit back and let them do their thing. yes i do agree with getting a ralliart or a evo 3 or 4 motor... but give them the benefit of the doubt for attempting to defy the odds.

 

okay, a couple things your overlooking here...

you're not exactly looking at just how much fabrication is involved here... especially to put down the hp levels you're dreaming of... but let's say they can do it...hypothetically.

1. look into the # of people that put a 4g63t in a 2gnt... last I checked, I saw one successfully done, and a few other half assed failed attempts. the guy that successfully did it, regrets it.

2. even if you do get that motor in there, are you aware of the unbelievable traction problems you will have. even dsms that come stock with that motor, don't put down more then 300-350 w/out breaking the tranny or axles... and this isn't a "maybe this will happen" type of case. get on the horn with real people (not shops) that own fwd dsms that put down over 300 whp, and ask em what kind of drivetrain problems they've had... then, ask em, if they could do it all again, would they go awd. ask the former dsmers here...they'll tell ya...

oh, and when you do break the tranny, let me know, i still have a few parts trannies layin around.

3. you're going to create an extremly unreliable car... all the new lancer reliability that you're making car payments on...is gone. don't expect your cruise, or most of your factory guages to work properly. no a/c for you. and your shifter mechanism/cables will most likely have to be one-off to work.

4. you're spending 2k on a 6bolt... okay, dsmers usually pay $500 for 6 bolt long blocks, I get one right now for $350, and a 7bolt for $250. most shops sell fresh complete rebulit 6 bolts for $1500... still failing to see value in paying 2k for a stock 6bolt... and... you haven't even bought the trans yet...

5. you don't want an evo because of the ins. think about how much you'll be spending on this swap, all the money you're going to spend on broken parts and tires... and pro rate that over a 5 year period.... i think that more then pays for the extra ins. you'll be paying each month. and you'll be driving an evo, reliably.

6. if you really can't afford the evo, buy a dsm, at least you can still get awd.

7. bottom line, you're asking for all problems and cost of doing an exotic motor swap, having all the problems and cost of owning dsm...to make it worse, a fwd dsm, and still having a car payment on a 10k+ car.

8. and the real kicker...and i'm still laughing about it....you'll still get smoked by every evo on this board.

if you decide to attempt this, I feel sorry for you, and your bank account.

take everything I said above, as a reality check...not a flame. I don't care how big your bank account is, or how many fabricators you know... think about what you really want to achieve by doing this? and if it's really worth it...?

if you're throwing money at an exotic fabricator, do something cool, like an rb26 in a 350z, or a 4 rotor in an fd...

 

I've got about 260whp right now (modest tune, 17psi, Evo3 B16G), not very impressive around here but was enough to pull my friends' C5 vert (stock) from a 60 punch, I've done the suspension mods (urethane inserts, swaybars, koni struts, etc...) and my car is very manageable. My goal is around 350hp. With cams and an FMIC that should be no problem. I have no significant traction issues now, and I already have plans for a Quaife (or Kaaz) when I get to the 300+ level.

All is not lost with FWD, sure AWD has a signifcant advantage coming out of the hole and if it is time slips you are after, there is always weight reduction, LSDs, staggered boost and slicks - but you will never utilize that kind of power (400+) on the street unless you have AWD. That is, unless you spend all your time on the highway doing roll-ons. I have seen enough high powered broken GSX's and VR4's to know that there are pros and cons on both sides of the fence. Transfer cases and clutch jobs can add up too. Its just that so many people get caught up with making power first, which is relatively easy to do with the 4G63, they neglect all their other mods (like suspension and rolling stock) that makes the car drivable. FWD people have to spend a little more on stuff like that EARLY, but they get the benefit of having a lighter vehicle also with less stuff to break too.

If I had it to do all over again? I love my GS-T. I don't care that it doesn't get out of a hole like an EVO or GSX. But, my next car will be an Evolution. When I get the car, I still won't care about timeslips, I'll be all about appreciating the car for its significant improvements in agility and just the fact its a better put together vehicle.

I think there's nothing wrong at all with having a turbo FWD Lancer. I just think its silly to do it with a DSM engine. I also thinks its silly to pay 2 grand for one. I'd get the cheapest/best Evolution motor I could lay my hands on (IV-VIII) then I'd get a 3G Eclipse RS/GS manual tranny put in a strong clutch and LSD - and have fun with my sleeper. Good luck.

 

If you get it done htne all the power too you. But I don't believe a thing till I see completed project pictures of a running car. I have seen to many simular posts.

 

Good luck. There has been numerous mirage -> evo conversion done already [TAD Motorsports do these full evo conversions alot for rally purposes here in the states] and only few have been recorded online for bragging rights. one especially was completed just recently on the mirage forums. The guy is currently running an evo4 motor in his 98 Mirage coupe FWD and is running perfectly fine.

http://www.mirageforums.net/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=14321

and don't go bombing this forum with questions on 4g63t swaps...these guys are sick to the stomach with this question since they get it everyday...they have stickies all over the motor swap/turbo and faqs/newbies section read them, I'm sure you'll find lots of information there. If theres anyone i trust in doing any kind of motor swaps for the lancers/mirages it would be these guys @ Mirage forums they've spent most of their time finding ways to build their cars to show the other mitsu owners that they're cars are just as good. I know....i was one of them. -=o] and i plan to go back into the Mirage camp with my 94 Mirage pretty soon as well.

 

I did back him up... but boyyyyy is that ever so true ^^^^^^


Hineken

 

hes going to get huge brownie points and props for originiallity and doing something that it seems on one on evom has ever done. i say go for it man

 

i agree with all the above... you're still at the early stage when the gst is a really fun car to drive. the tranny on my bench right now came out of a 98 gst w/quaiffe, 2600, a 60 trim, and on falken azenis... let's just say there isn't much thats salvagalbe in that tranny

we were lucky enough to find another one with 29k local. he's in the process of getting rid of the car now.

my advice for you GPTourer, is don't do another performance mod to your car...and you'll keep on loving it. before the 98 gst got the 60 trim, the car was on it's way to breaking the 2g fwd stock turbo record, and was still really fun to drive. now, it personifies the meaning of lag... just for the sake of traction.


the fella lookin to put a 4g63 in a lancer is looking to put down 400+...yeah...

and yeah, they've been slappin evo motors in mirages here for some time now, for drag and rally... but, the large majority of them, also recieve the complete awd drivetrain as well. a perfect example is Devo tuning's evo II. a mirage to evo conversion that runs 10s, weighs 2600lbs with full interior, and is his daily driver.

if you're lookin to spend all that money, and still have low insurance, buy his ^ car. I think it's still for sale on dsmtrader for like 13k

 

That's a funny coincidence. I figured if I ever got tired of my Evo3 and wanted something bigger, I'd go with a 60 trim because of its top end capability (or TD06H 20G or Green) and slower spool. And if the 2100 I'm on goes out I'd go with a 2600, I want a Quaife, and I roll on Falken Azenis right now. Even still - with such a car (or any car) weight is the enemy and if your going to the drag strip all the time trying to break any kind of records, I'm pretty sure you're going to break things wether you're FWD, RWD, or AWD- being fast costs cash regardless. I wouldn't be out there trying to prove anything, just the occasional romp to smoke a Cobra or Z06 on the highway would suit me. And if there was too much lag, I'd build a 2.4L.

For the strip, the 1G is best because its lighter, whether it be FWD or AWD. But I like the way my car looks and I don't want to drive around with a cage in a shell of a car with all the trim pulled out - so to each is own. GS-T's live in the shadow of the X's much in the way Lancers do to Evo's, but then again SRT-4's are all the rage right now despite. Anyone can go to www.dsmtimes.org to see how the drivetrains match up and get some idea of what it is going to take to get there. Notcie how 1G's are faster then 2G's and Mirage-lution I,II, and III's are faster then VIII's. Then if you ever get the chance to see one of these cars up close, ask yourself if you'd want to drive one every day (or if they are street legal at all) just so you can run 8's,9's, or 10's. I don't.

I just think it'd be neat for people to start building plain Lancers with *****, maybe not 400whp+ - but 300 or so would do nicely. Oh, and I want to keep my GS-T, not trade it for an Evo - I want both.

 

he stopped goin to the track after the t25 gave out. the 60 trim was on for about 2 months or so before the trans couldn't take it anymore. and that was just running hard on the street, i don't think it ever got any good races out of it because of other random issues... and yeah, totally agree on weight. the gst was totally gutted to take strain off the drivetrain... take it from me man, keep the car just the way it is.

and yeah, i agree with your view of the lancer. it can make for a really fun car. but I'd agree more with throwing a turbo kit on the existing motor, before doin a motor swap on it. I guess I've made presented my opinion and said my peice on the matter.


GPTourer, if you ever have any ?s about building up the T, let me know.

 

Well like I said before I will see what is to come if we forsee that this will not work and its going to be more money then what I want to spend then we will scrap it and go another route this is nothing in the works yet just an idea of what may be to come. As far as going with an evo motor I would need to find one that is not awd because I honestly dont wanna change that much just to have awd. I will keep everyone updated as me and the shop do more research.