I will have to wait and see what happen. This will be an ongoing process and I will keep updating. Over the next month or two I would like to start getting into what kinda prices and stuff im looking at. As everyone continues to bash I appreciate the few in this thread that are standing behind me. I wanna do something that has been possibly attempted and never done before. I know it may take a little bit of $$$$$ but so would buying an evo motor and getting that to fit in the car as well.

 

There's bashing, and then there's the reality of the situation. It's not an easy swap you're attempting, and your initial post had you putting in a motor with the transmission on the complete wrong side. Again, if you're dead set on this then good luck to you. You'll need every bit of it. I suspect it will cost significantly more than you're anticipating, and that you will run into many more problems than you're expecting. No one's saying that a 4g63 swap is impossible. It's simply a matter of cost vs effectiveness, and nothing I've seen (some may argue) shows that this swap will be more effective than working on the 4g94.

Do you plan on daily driving this car, and do you have alternate means of transportation while the car is being worked on? I'm thinking you should plan for a lot of downtime on the Lancer.

 

In America, there are very rare ocassions that there is a 5g mirage w/ an Evo motor . . . those guys have doctor's salary and go on the show circuit claiming their mirage as the real deal Evo 4,5, or 6. When you look at the firewall, you'll see the 4g15 marking.

BTW: on our board, I do believe two people attempted it (normal smoe like me), and the attempt bankrupted them from the lack of effort by their mechanics (they rather do H&A swap because of easy money).

As for the 5g mirage or current lancer, there hasn't been any DSM motor swap, because the cost is SO DAUNTING in time, effort, practicality, and burning a huge hole in your wallet. You'll fall into the trap of delusional minitruckers w/ visions of grandeur when they see their truck sitting in the shop for over 1.5 years and not much done to it, because it's sapping the person like a vampire.

BTW: the extreme racing drag mirage, he gave up on the project . . . a fully sponsored team who pulled his DSM motor to be placed inside a lighter mirage coupe.

In the pacific rim, there are enough GVR4's (older mirages/lancer) and Evo's out there in their home market that it's somewhat cost effective. As for the guy w/ a 5g w/ an Evo 4 or 5 motor in his car . . . he lives in NZ. He doesn't have to pay for import fees. He's Nchant on our board. Another former member of our board to this was YogiB from NZ who had a Lancer VR-X = Lancer GSR w/ a true G93T and AWD, not Evo GSR.


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I can't help myself laughing. I don't see my engine being the same SOHC turbo G63 as the Aussie Starion. I'm sure not downgrading my cams to single cam. Big ouch on me.

 

And just like I said in a previous post, just because we're not standing behind you doesn't mean we're the bad guys here. We're not bashing for the sake of bashing. We're trying to explain what we see in our collective perspectives regarding your project. If we're bashing because we don't agree then you're missing the point and selling yourself short by not listening to other opinions.

 

i be toyu 80% know what were talking about

 

I have the whole setup to pretty much swap engine, transe, drivetrain, axles and everything for the swap. Its gonna boil down to how much of a hastle it is to get it into the car. So the money im supposedly wasting on parts I would already have. The only thing I would spend money on is labor and fabrication.

 

Good luck with your project

 

It's called experience. Miragers have faced this problem since 97. For those who did try, the mechanic either failed on their part becoming bored w/ the project or doomed by bill racking up. You have to understand murphy's law. This isn't glamous like H&A swap, because it has been done to DEATH. It's so naive otherwise.

This does not apply to the 4g mirage which their engine faces the right way for DSM transplant.

Also, there is an excellent FAQ on this board about any impending doom for DSM swap.


http://www.extrememotorsports.com/rmirage.htm

He failed, and he has near unlimited money comparing to smoes like me.

 

how much did all the parts cost? u kno...good luck man... if u screw up and u realize its either a waste or is just plain to difficult then just take the hit lose ur money ... but hey ur a pioneer right? so do it... its tru what that dude says.. every evo will smoke u... lol that made me laugh...well yay have a lot of fun doin your thing ..bashin? or reality and common sense,... the line is thin...its a matter of opinion...

 

i agree, although much harder to find i think the III will be a much easier install. i still think that building the lancer motor up is a much better idea.

 

Its not even a matter of an evo smoking me, honestly that doesnt bother me one bit. As far as the motor swap it is nothing written in stone yet as we are doing a ton of research into this before any attempt would be made.

 

Actually, no - the III motor has the same orientation as the DSM engine. It would be just as difficult. Witness the proliferation of the EVOIII turbo as an upgrade amongst DSMers. I can't even use a IV-VIII turbo in my car without intense fabrication, and in the end it wouldn't be worth it.

What research? Everyone here has pretty much done that for you. You've got owners of these vehicles with more experience then you trying to clue you in. No one has completed the swap yet (according to Bahamut, and this site)- so you are going into uncharted waters. You're just going to have to take some measurements, start fabbing up some custom mounts and jump in feet first.

 

i still say go for it. as crazy as it is. for the right price, the job will get finished, as long as he doesnt give up on his project.

 

Exactly, no one here has done it. That is why he is doing research. I'm sure, like most of us when we get started on something, he does not want to be suprised with any aspect of the swap. He is preparing for every possible scenario that he can think of. Sounds like good research to me!

Keep up the good work man, I wish you luck!

 

no-one is trying to be discouraging here...we're all just try to step back and look at it realistically. from a cost/benefits/problems standpoint. did you ever think maybe there was a reason people haven't done it... they went through that same thought process, and realized it wasn't worth it.

if you really want to throw a different motor in there we've all basically narrowed it down to 2 scenarios... #1, he use an evo IV + motor as it'll make fitment much easier.... or #2, drop something in there that will take a ton of fabricating...and if that's the case, why stop with a dsm motor and fwd. go nuts and do it awd, or throw a 4g out of a starion and make it rear wheel drive. if you're gonna spend the $$ on all the custom work, make it wild, and really worth it.

once it's done, you're going to look at all you've done and sit back and say to yourself...why? to spend all that money to put...in a way...an inferior motor in the car, is like taking a step backwards, and spending alot of money doing it. the same parts you need to replace on a 4g63 to make big power...are going to be the same parts you replace on your the 4g94 to make power. what about spending all that money making the 4g94 sick?

if you want to be a pioneer, and start a following, pick up an evo vii or viii drivetrain from a wrecked car, and slap that whole awd drivetrain/suspension in there. Now doing that...will definatly earn you some followers.


oh, and btw...you paid $2000 for a wrecked 1g... we've paid 1500 for complete, running 1g gsts w/6bolts. we just paid 1200 for a 95 tsi awd that needs a t/case. we've paid 3000 for a 92 tsi awd with 58k miles on it in near perfect cond. I wouldn't pay more then $500 for a wrecked 1g...maybe a grand if the front clip was still all in tact and it had low miles. there's guys selling evo vii motor/drivetrain for like 4k. time to re-evaluate.

again, not flaming, not discouraging. just trying to be the voice of reason here.