Yeah with a turbo the list would be great.

 

good cuz thats what i have

 

man, I laughed out loud at that one.

first off, there is no "more accurate" type of dyno. if you want to learn about them, you will search. no one should have to explain the two types of dyno's whenever they post a dyno chart, if you have questions, search.

second, the two dynos are used for different purposes completely. again, search if you want more information, but the summary is because you can load the engine on an eddy current dyno it is better for tuning, and because an intertia dyno works on a much less complex design than an eddy current dyno it will show better repeatability under IDENTICAL CONDITIONS.

to further elaborate, run your car ten times on any kind of dyno, and you will see different numbers and curves each time. there is no such thing as an accurate dyno, the number is close to being arbitrary.

 

Ok I talked to Rob a bit about this while I was ordering my piggyback (it was at RRM's getting reflashed) and I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit peeved at the response. The basic message was again "something is wrong with your car". In this case it was that the mods were not well thought out and were basically slapped on there thus hampering performance. What annoys me about this is the vast majority of my parts are RRM and are recommended for people going the NA route. I have an RRM intake, RRM TB, RRM IM, RRM fuel rail, RRM header, Wiseco pistons and Greddy exhaust (which RRM used to sell). Obviously the car could use a tune, but when you compare the A/F graph of the near stock lancer with mine it's not substantially different, at least not enough to suggest that my motor is running weird.

 

Damn... someone at RRM said that? What did they say was where you went wrong?

Fox

 

Just that my mods weren't working well together. I don't see how that could be a serious issue, I haven't done anything very extreme or openly wrong.

 

I find it funny that you pretty much followed the RRM product catalog to the T and they are saying that the mods you bought do not function well together. In which case what is the point of buying said mods?

Fox

 

That's exactly what I thought, as soon as he said it I immediately thought "wait a tick, you made these parts and recommend buying them and now you're saying they don't work well together?". I mean tuning is obvious, it gets pretty damn rich in the higher RPMs, but to suggest that my mods are someone interfering with each other is ridiculous. I got the engine breathing and exhaling as best as I could and it still showed a lack luster gain.

 

RRM'S lackluster parts discussion aside...I have one question for you about the IM.

Were the runners ported on the IM?

I know it was said a while back on the Mirage boards that a mirager had ported the runners on his IM and it had somehow affected the A/F ratio to where his car made less hp than before the IM was ported.

The slight bumps in the runners actually aided in A/F mixture by creating a little turbulence.

I'd PM some one else for an opinion. It could be something simple.

My car's A/f Ratio was down at 10.8 with the stage one cam I had in and untuned.

A little custom tune could make all the difference.

WADAD

EDIT: Reading back I see you have an RRM IM. I must have confused you with some one else as I thought you had a ported 4G93 IM.

The tuning I was told would be good for atleast 20HP with an SAFC. Maybe check into that first.

 

No idea, it's the RRM IM. A tune would really help, lean it out a bit and I'm sure an extra 10 hp wouldn't be out of the question.

 

my only issue is that you don't have a dyno of a lancer unmodded to compare it too. I will never argue that you numbers don't look good, but you cannot just bolt on things and expect to gain 30whp. The fact that you are disappointed in your results is no surprise to me, because frankly I'd be pissed too. But i think your lack of comparison to anything unmodified in the same conditions, and your lack of a tune of any sort should make your information less credible when people make decisions regarding there lancer.

 

There was a lancer with just an intake there, that served as my base as an intake isn't going to significantly change the numbers. If you want I can get his graph from him so people can see I'm not lying. Yes a tune would help, but when you compared the graphs nothing was truly out of the ordinary, the other lancer riched up at the same point I did thus would also benefit from a tune. I don't see how that makes my information "less credible", I clearly said I wasn't tuned thus this shows what gains you'll get using just the bolt-ons (plus high comp pistons).

 

Check out my Sig... You will find some good NA info there! I tried to list what I found to be helpful and what I found not to work. My tuner told me to drop a cooler thermostat in and that helps get the timing to advance safely! I have yet to try it.

 

I'm pretty much done with my lancer so I won't be doing any more mods to it. It was a fun car and I certainly enjoyed modding it (until I realized just how much I spent on my econobox, lol) but I want to move onto to something better now. My car doesn't even have AC, power windows or power locks and it's things like that (plus more power and a better drivetrain) that I want now.

 

This is fully understandable.

Concerning your car, i think with an upgraded camshaft and a tune you could see 20+ hp more. You would be amazed how much a tune made with care can make your car so much faster.

In any case, good luck with your future car!