I wouldn't go that far. I think 10 hp is a more reasonable value but that would still be a pretty damn good gain.

 

ok so im 16 and i have a 2004 lancer ls. I just bought a lightweight pulley and a SRI from RRM. After reading this thread im obviously skeptical. Is it worth it to save up and go turbo and not do any other mods until then?.... or should i just forget about it and leave my car as is?

 

i learned a while back that 2 identical cars with the same mods could get two very different results!!!...if u talked to rob at rrm and told u that your mods wernt working 2gether, i think he's right, i know of some guy who spent about $8000 on mods for his camaro and dynoed it after a few mods and got some good gains, then he got lazy and started bolting things on and at the end he ended up lossing power, not below stock but he lost power from the previous run! all i could remember was that he changed his spark plugs(cant remember what type) but when he changed them back to the stock ones he gained some power back....who knows it may b the same story you...but for real power u have to go TURBO!!!

 

wow couple grand on the evo can give you easy 100 HP to the wheels

 

It's a personal question. I've learned more from bolting things on and doing the work myself. I'm about to go turbo here within a few weeks and I don't think I'd be confident to put it on myself if I hadn't spent money where I did. So in that regard, it was not a waste at all. Plus all of the things I bolted on will help with the Turbo... Catback, ported 4g93 intake mani, underdrive pulley, etc. Right now I have over three grand in parts, that according to Amby's dyno run, give me no gain or loss of whp.

Personally, I think there is something wrong with his car or it needs a tune. No offense, Amby. I only say this because I've felt changes in my car after every single install, mid-range, top end and a loss of low end torque (results from my A$$ dyno). In addition after driving a perfectly good running stock Lancer, my girlfriends, or even a friends Lancer with high comp pistons, I can tell a difference in my car and thiers.

Whatever path you decide to go, you need to tune after you get to a certian level. I'd be interested to see if Amby picks up some whp after a tune.

Fox

 

I felt gains when I did my mods too, but the problem is feelings can and do lie, they are not an ojective means by which to gauge power. An example of this is grounding kits, how many people claim to have felt a power increase with a grounding kit?
If you can afford to go turbo, do it. Turboing a lancer puts it into a whole different speed bracket and for a 16 year old would probably be more than enough.
Yes two different cars on the same dyno can get two different results, the point here isn't the raw number it's the comparison to the other lancer that's important. Yes I talked to Rob and yes he's probably right, my problem was that all the parts I have (for the most part) are RRM made.
A tune would yield good gains, I'm sure of it. Just looking at the dyno you can see how it gets very rich near the top end, leaning that out would net anywhere from 10-15 whp depending on how far you go and whether it's what's needed to get the mods I have working right. Nothing is wrong with the car, I can assure that. No codes are present and there are no leaks of any kind.

 

Yeah, I don't have the patience to read this whole thing. What are you using for tuning?

 

Nothing, this dyno was done when I was still planning on going turbo so I had an RRM piggyback on it's way with the turbo map.

 

Can we hit bears with rolled up newspapers like with dogs?

 

Has anyone taken time to see why the 4G94 fails at gaining horsepower with bolt ons? Granted the higher compression pistons should almost DEFINITELY give you something, but I think people need to look inside the engine to find more power. I'm no expert at engines, but it's obvious that the bolt ons are not really freeing up the flow of air going in and out of the engine.

Are there cam upgrades for the 4G94? That's the first place I would look now that you have these disappointing dyno results...

 

I think part of the reason the results are crap is because the engine is crap (relatively and comparatively speaking) meaning that it is surprisingly tuned from the factory. Let's not forget it's basically a 4G93 bored out, which means there's not a lot of room for improvement. The car's a 2003 but the motor hasn't changed in what 6 years?

 

We know the answer.

It's because the motor was not even remoted designed for HP. It is a basic motor put in an econobox car. Yeah, wanted to add a little juice to it so they stroked out the 4G93 and made a 4G94 (which, if you really look at it, has 5 more HP than the 4G93 had!).

The answer is that you did not buy a sporty car. Or a racey car. You bought an economy sedan "with rally heritage."

 

That is not it IMO.

The 4G93 has been shown to have the potential to make more power and people had been modifying them for years before the G94 existed.

The problem is no one really listened to these experienced people.

It's too bad really, but for what they are stock the Lancers are Nice.

WADAD

 

The 4G93 is a better motor IMO, the problem with the 4G94 is it's maxed out, you can't run a lot of boost (at least relative to what the 4G93 boys can) and it just doesn't seem to respond well to bolt ons.

 

What makes the 4G93 better than the 4G94? I know the intake mani is designed a little better but what else is there?