So ive seen a couple messages in some other topics posted kinda debating the 2 but havent seen an actual thread so I thought i would post one SOOOO....Manual vs. CVT whats better guys!?!?!

 

CVT roxors. It's great for people that want an automatic but also still want to be able to do some shifting from time to time. I love it. Paddles work great and the car shifts much faster than I could using a clutch.

EDIT - also moved to the correct forum...

 

well.. i wanted manual, but my parents are helping me pay for this car.. so they chose the CVT. CVT makes automatic fun .. but in the end, MT > CVT modding-wise

 

personally manual is a drivers car.

If you want challenge control then go for manual.

Be reminded that stop and go traffic sucks, tail gaters suck. parallel parking sucks hills suck parallel parking on HILLS suck!!!

But besides all that. You are also a safer driver.. You cant drive as reckless as you can with a manual, because a good manual driver has to plan stops and plan passing ie. shifting down to get more rpm or do some engine breaking.

I have some friends who had like the mazda 3's tiptronic shifter or whatever its called, and in the end the just end up driving manual. its not the same without the clutch.

You also listen to the engine alot more and learn to appreciate it. No more blaring music, rather hear the engine purr to the shifts. Also need to hear the engines sound for approximation on RPM's while shifting.

 

Based on????

Please, I know the 08s are brand new, but that's a rumor. We have no proof of that at all. Let's wait and see how the CVT performs over time before we bash it!

 

^+1.

compare and contrast time!:

MT:
Better accel/ability to launch.
Sucks on hills.
Sucks in traffic.
Clutch can be a pain in the foot

CVT:
6 gears (which i believe makes for better fuel effieciency in the higher speeds).

No shift shock in auto mode, you can go from 1-80 and never leave 5krpm and not mess up your car, its a consistant acceleration and gear change without noticing.

The ability to shift when you want, faster than you could ever do in a MT in which case you do have to pay attention to the sound and RPMs of your car.

End Notes: IMO, the CVT is a more comfortable MT, just alittle less fun if you truely enjoy struggling with a clutch.

As far as power goes, the only thing you can state is the obvious launchin ability of a MT and the better accel. No one knows the capabilities to compare the two in such a way just yet.

 

A good manual driver does not shift shock. unless your really pushing your engine, and even then it shouldnt really be a bumpy ride.

its just that if your accelerating fast and u clutch in, the car loses its acceleration for a moment, but you keep moving forward to it gets a bit jerky.

But if u clitch in and out fast enough and smooth enough it'll be alright
its all about that sweet spot haha

you can control the rpm in manual mode, i can go as fast or as slow as i want.
Heck i could go from 0-80 not ever going over 2.5k rpm

Or u can punch it till 6500 rpm and get the most out of your engine.

One thing that saves fuel is clutching in and coasting.

If you get a good hill you can coast forever.

Or you can engine brake and save more of your brake pads.

Your choice your car, your driving. Thats MANUAL!

Thing is about the lancer manual transmission is that its clutch is SUPA light.(small engine) I driven my friends 1.8 litre precedia and its just as light. its easy to clutch in and out even in rush hour traffic.

The whole idea of not being able to mod te CVT as well is that the entire transmission is not servicable. If you screw it up u gotta replace a WHOLE new one.

Theres also the CVT Belt/Pulley VS Chain topics, you should read up on it. Which questions the ability of the CVT to handle a turbo. Like they said, well see when someone tries a turbo and messes up their CVT.

 

Not so much "bad shifting" shock but just the forces acting on the drivetrain. When you drop the clutch in a manual, you're putting a lot of stress on those gears. Maybe a tooth or 200 break off. What's the worst that happens in the CVT? Maybe the belt slips. See my point?

I can put my CVT in neutral and coast. And I can manually downshift to save brake pads too. You aren't selling me.

I'm not even engaging in any more CVT w/ turbo debates. I just ask that members not spread speculation and rumors as facts (you aren't, but a lot of people do). Until we see RRM boost a CVT, I'm just waiting and watching.

 

+1

 

I feel so weird. I've been getting so many "+1" posts after I say something. It's like I'm the voice of the people!

 

Repairs on a manual transmission is less costly than an automatic long term.

All you have to do is replace the clutch, as the clutch wears out after 8-10 years depending on use.

You treat the clutch well, u wont have to replace it for a while.

You stall/ride the clutch expect to replace it earlier.

All in all maintenence for a manual transmission is cheaper. i think it goes about 800-1000 for replace a clutch.

Also it is illegal to drive in neutral on the road. clutching is not neutral in a sense. so if your an auto driver and you put it in neutral thats a nono. driving and safety wise. If im clutching in i can just release it to get back in gear. Thats different from actually putting the engine in neutral by shifting.

To put u guys in a prespective, my parents own a accord hybrid 255 hp 3.2 liter v6. I really enjoyed driving that car, it could do 0-60 in about 7 seconds. its alright totally enough power and peppy enough to pass and drive fast.

Then i got this car, since then i will and doubt ill ever drive my parents accord anymore. even if it has more than 100hp. Auto driving is so freakin boring, i ended up listening to music more than actual driving.

I suppose paddle shifting can add a little more experiance.
but again without clutching u dont "feel" the engine and to me your just pushing buttons. This is my opinion so please dont be offended by this the CVT is a good option for those who dont want to bothered clutching.

I suggest you guys read further into this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_transmission
go near the end and it compares the advantages and disadvantages with auto vs manual. I know its user generated info but i think its pretty accurate

also remeber cvt is 1500$ CAN more so. any wear and tear on the clutch you can replace it and still be cheaper. This is given that the CVT doesnt screw up in 8 years.

And yeah blacksheep im not speculating im just waiting an watching to i dont know what the CVT can handle. but it doesnt really matter to me cuz i got manual anyways.

 

I've never heard of a clutch lasting 8 years. I replaced my last car's clutch after 5 years (middle-aged previous owner had 90k on it).

I will just agree to disagree with you. Yeah, manual is more sporty, etc. But it's also not for everyone. I've had hip problems for the last 13 years. Believe me, MT got old anytime I hit a traffic jam!

 

ouch sorry to hear that blacksheep.

Well anyways i dont suggest manual for people who get stuck in traffic all the time thats for sure.

I hate how people just drift so slowly in stop and go situation.

Its hard to keep my car in 2 gear and keep it from stalling at such low low low speeds.

But after a while it does become second nature.
I dont really think about clutchin in anymore. its like pressing the brake. just a little more complex hehe

And if u got a big truck or a big engine.
expect a workout with your leftfoot! lol

 

One of the disadvantages of the CVT is that when most company's make mods they make them for the Manual first. I test drove the CVT first and it just wasnt me but then again my past 3 cars have been sticks SO its all preference. The only thing I dont like about my manual is when I am chewing down a big mac and getting shyt all over the dam car trying to eat and drive at the same time. Now then traditionally auto's lost a lot of HP from the crank about 20-25% but I dont think that this is the case with the CVT. But with the manual I can rev the motor then free the clutch and launch, you can do this with the auto (neutral drop) but your tranny isnt going to take to many of those. So IMO the pros out way the cons for the 5speed. But the whole idea of the CVT is very cool with no shift shock and the frickn paddles just look sweet.

 

Go drive a CVT, youll see what i mean when i say no shift shock. You NEVER feel it shift, unless you want to. I'm sorry but the MT, youll always feel it, youll always lose alittle momentum, and youll always know when the gears have changed. CVT = no gears, smooth comfortable ride.

And as far listening to the car... like i said, you still have to with CVT manual mode. If you dont, youll red line your car without knowing. Youll be like "oh crap" when your car suddenly stops accelerating and you look down to see your RPMs screaming. (done it... multiple times, the engine is too quiet)

No matter how much you argue it, CVT is a manual transmission, just with the luxury and comfort of automatic. Or you can say its an Automatic transmission, with the fuel economy and sporty feel of a manual. either way, its alittle of both worlds. Only reason i regret not having a manual is because it can get out of 1st gear alittle better, thats it.

Also ill ask this since i was asking my dad about it yesterday. We were talking about changing gear ratios, usually done by buying different gears for MTs, but he stated they dont make them for FWD cars? or he said they wouldnt for some reason due to it being alot diff than RWD. (hes a certified mechanic so i trust his word most of the time) But now i ask, do you think it will be possible to change the set ratios in the CVTs computer?