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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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911 variable turbine geometry

Have you guys read about this? I watched the little video on it on the site and it looks pretty cool. Not sure if i completely understand it. But im pretty sure iv never seen a turbo with this before (not that iv really seen alot). If you know what im talking about go to the Porsche site and look at the new 911 turbo. I think it looks amazing and it sounds like its gonna preform bad ***. But i read that its sposed to be kinda refined and luxury more than performance, they said that the turbo S and the GT2 would be the hardcore performers.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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bump for answers
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 06:05 PM
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I comment on the same topic a few weeks ago. In Europe this technology has been in use routinely for 15 years in many car makers.

It is just amazing how a turbo can be maximize with lighting spool up and monstruous high boost by having variable blades. Unfortunately the turbo era was almost stinghished in the mid 80 in the USA, thanks good it is back.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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could u post a link please..i cant seem to find it.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 06:41 PM
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Variable nozzle turbos have been used for quite a while in the diesel market, but until recently the EGT's were too high on petrol applications for the system to prove reliable. It appears obviously that they have solved that issue.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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We have a little project with this in the works...
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Thumbs up to porsche.

They are always first at pioneering new technology into production vehicles , First with a production turbocharged car, first fully ceramic/kevlar clutch, ceramic brakes, and now VTG, even though chrysler tried it in the 80's on a few hundred of their VNT turbo cars but had pretty much a 100% failure rate. in fact I would like to see a chrysler VNT turbo that actually still works, and hasnt siezed.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilution VIII
Thumbs up to porsche.

They are always first at pioneering new technology into production vehicles , First with a production turbocharged car, first fully ceramic/kevlar clutch, ceramic brakes, and now VTG, even though chrysler tried it in the 80's on a few hundred of their VNT turbo cars but had pretty much a 100% failure rate. in fact I would like to see a chrysler VNT turbo that actually still works, and hasnt siezed.
I did not want to copy and paste this link but since I was only 99.99% sure I ended having to verify that also BMW 2002TI was perhaps a earlier turbo production car than Porsche.

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/newclass/2002_turbo.htm

I give myself only 50% credit since I did not know the excat year but definately the BMW was 2 years ahead of Porsche for their first turbo production car .
BMW launched the 2002 TI Turbo in July 1973.

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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
We have a little project with this in the works...
Hmmmm......care to elaborate?
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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Thanks for the info guys. and yes id like to hear some more about this from precision dyno.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
I did not want to copy and paste this link but since I was only 99.99% sure I ended having to verify that also BMW 2002TI was perhaps a earlier turbo production car than Porsche.

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/newclass/2002_turbo.htm

I give myself only 50% credit since I did not know the excat year but definately the BMW was 2 years ahead of Porsche for their first turbo production car .
BMW launched the 2002 TI Turbo in July 1973.
BMW may have been first with the turbo on a production car, but where are they today with turbo technology??? Porsche has been developing this technology for over thirty years. Their greatest victories came from turbocharged cars like the 917/30 (over 1100bhp), 934, 935, 956, 962, GT2 and GT1 and they continue to this day to refine and develop turbo technology that ultimatly benefits all of us who love turbocharged cars.
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
We have a little project with this in the works...
does it look anything like this

http://www.m5board.com/articles/geneva2006/DSC05251.jpg
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 02:01 PM
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http://www.porsche.com/all/masterwerk/usa.aspx

That's Porsche's 911 turbo page. Launch the high bandwidth version, skip the history, and VGT (VTG to porsche) is in Act 1.

Variable geometry turbine technology is not new, it's been used on diesel trucks and cars for at least 5 or 6 years now. Holset designed and patented it, and Cummins (who owns Holset) was the first to use it. VGT is used on pretty much every diesel truck engine now.
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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The Turbo on the 911 is made by Borg Warner. I actually called them to learn more about it.

After speaking with them at length, I don't believe it would add a lot to an Evo.

You need a control module control the vains & they didn't believe this would be something available in aftermarket.

Also, this turbo does not have a ball bearing center, so a ultimately a Garrett with a BB center could spool faster without the VNT......
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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Here's some notes of VTG from my mechanical engineering class.





If you want to see a really wicked forced induction design, take a look at a Comprex wave Supercharger





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