Those are impressive numbers, no one is doubting that. However, I have a couple of questions. What dyno was this made on and why did they tune so aggresively that it seems as if all they were looking for was peak power? The torque hits so hard that the car will probably loose traction on the street, or even on a corner if you get on the pedal too quickly. Furthermore, the whp numbers drop off dramatically along with the torque way before 6K so the car won't really be that impressive on the street. What I'm really wondering is, how come the aftermarket didn't come up with a modified head setup in the first place and had to wait this much time for the manufacturer to do it first?

 

Ya people gotta stop making excuses for the Subaru's. They have been around long enough, boohoo.

I guess we can call the peak numbers good but in all honestly, look at that graph and look at that powerband. Its terrible. Peak power at 5500rpm. I repeat.. peak power at 5500rpm. Mine as well swap in 2.73 gears in there.

 

Not bad at all. Funny thing is that every board I go to theres a link to the same thread. Is this the only STI making this power?

 

If we are talking about light to light, in tight tarmac cornering situations, yes they are.

On the highway Camaros, Cobras, Supras, Vettes are the king... Its just the way it is.

 

So, basically what you're saying is that any car with RWD can't get traction and catch an Evo before the next light?

I could sit here and name off a plethora of RWD cars that will walk an Evo from "light to light." A car doesn't have to have AWD to get a good 60ft time.

 

That's FACT, not excuse. Do you really think that aftermarket parts were in abundance for a 4g63 when it was 3 years old? No. Aftermarket companies were still learning the potential of the motor. It's the same story with GM's smallblock, or even Honda's new K-series motors. Do you think that aftermarket tuners just popped out parts for VTECs in abundance within 3 years? I think not. You'll find that out when the Evo X drops with an entirely new motor. Then you'll be the one making excuses. Boohoo.

A tuner is working with a 2007 STI. It's already been mentioned that the heads are a different design, and that the car is no longer running the VF39 turbo. If you took the time to read one of my first posts that I had posted in here, you would clearly see that there is no excuse being made on my part. Face it, the car makes power. Period. It doesn't matter if it's 1 car, or 2 cars. It's there. It exists.

 

Its a fact they havent been around and what you said is true buttttt.... its an excuse your making for them not making as much power as an EVO.

I dont care about the EVO X, no on here has one. We have EVO8s and 9s. Quit it with the hypothetical situations already. "Well if the EJ25 was around longer than the 4G... When the EVO X comes out youre gonna be making exuses" blah blah blah. The real facts are, the Subarus cant make the power EVOs do. Period. The end. Stop arguing about it. Those numbers on the 07 are impressive for A SUBARU... they are NOT impressive for a Mitsu. 2006 EVOs with the same mods are making more power and more than 70whp at redline.

Face it the car makes power? I said I was impressed with the torque. Thats it.

 

Subarus don't make power? Haven't heard of Big Valley, have ya....That car doesn't make power either. There are plenty of high horsepower STis/STIs roaming the streets.

An Evo may be cheaper to modify initially, but once you get into very high horsepower applications, anything goes. The man with the most money is going to win. Period. End of story. "Boohoo" on that for a while. Again, a FACT.

 

No you can't Unless they are wearing drag radials, 99.99% of fwd or rwd cars cannot beat a evo from light to light. Remember, they have to be able to stop on time for the next light... With 2 step and stock clutch the Evo is a very consistant launcher... There is no reason to argue over it...

Have they even developed 2 step for the Sti's yet? That would probably make it a worthy adversary in terms of consistancy... Plus it is so easy to modify an evo these days its not even fair...

 

Comeon already, stop taking things out of context. Anything can be made fast... yeah we know. Subaru's cannot make the power of EVO's without spending a lot more cash. Not a little. A lot. I think its safe to say 90%, if not more of EVO/STi owners on the stock turbo. Stock turbo EVOs own stock turbo STi's pretty hardcore. "Thats a fact"



Seriously though, not trying to be a dick (although I may come off as one). Im just confused as to what youre trying to convey here. You're on an EVO site trying to make us realize how great the power of this STI is..... yet EVOs make more power with the same mods. So its really not that impressive at all when we think about it, especially when it makes such a terrible powerband.

 

you can make a geo metro make 600 hp with enough money. Those types of cars just dont count. Look at the drag toyota solara. That car is runing 8 second passes. Is that a better tuner car than an evo? What really matters is what normal people can do to their cars. Lots of people have evos making over 500 whp on stock motors. (cams only) These cars only need gt35r, injectors, fuel pump and exhaust to run 10 second passes. I dont see stis running 10 second passes on stock block, let alone 11 second passes on stock turbo. Lets see if these new magic 07s can prove me and everyone else here wrong. If so then hats off to you guys for finally catching up, although without revisions to the 2.5l block, i dont see you running 10 second passes on stock bottom ends any time soon.

 

I think it's a good time to leave this thread. I'm just feeling way too intelligent here....

 

the never ending pissing match. funny thing is im going to buy a subaru soon!







and use it as a daily driver and have the evo as a track car -= )

 

How many US Subarus are in the 9's or even the 10's? Now how many Evos are in the 9's and 10's? The EJ series of motor has been around since 1990. The 257 block might be 3 years old, but the 2.5 subaru motor has been around since at least 99 in the RS's. All the fast subarus seem to be outside the US, and even then I cant think of more than maybe 3 that have 800+whp.

 

= no argument so nothing more to add, until next year when an 08 sti makes xxx hp and it is finally as good as an evo.