Toyota sponsored NOPI 2003 so this is incorrect. THey want to go after the segment, they just have the wrong cars. THe Scion tCwill help some (replacing the Celica). The MR-2 is loved by enthusiests for it's lightweight and fun as well.

The IS 300 reduced the age of the Lexus buyer with the GS 300/400. The next IS is coming in coupe/convt/wagon/sedan forms.

I mean, a new 350Z and new RX-8 still cannot handle a 10 year old Supra, let alone one with a Single turbo. They still got some catching up to do.

 

I like the Mr. Two for those reasons but the impracticality of most convertibles, unless as a third car, would never let me buy one. If you what you say about the new IS is true and it'll come in a coupe version...I'll take two.

 

I can't fit to the MR2 Spyder . My knees keep hitting the steering wheel.

 

If the next IS will be offered as a coupe, perhaps that'll be our luxury Supra ala G35. I remember reading that a couple V8 Altezzas were being tested on the Nurburgring... who knows. Maybe Toyota decided to push back the release of it.

Anyhow, I'll keep my fingers crossed but will not lose sleep over this. Toyota needs a flagship sports car bad.

EDIT: Perhaps this is why Toyota has pulled the Celica and the Supra. This was pulled from TheCarConnection's daily newsletter:
Lotus Shows U.S.-Bound Elise


"The first new Lotus to be sold in the U.S. in fifteen years appears in May, when the 2005 Elise hits showrooms, the Malaysian-owned company said in a release this week. The 1975-pound roadster comes with a Toyota-sourced 1.8-liter four-cylinder engine worth 190 hp and 138 lb-ft of torque, which Lotus says catapults the tiny two-seater to 60 mph in less than five seconds and to a top speed of nearly 150 mph. Air conditioning, anti-lock brakes, power windows, dual airbags and a Blaupunkt AM/FM/CD player are standard. The six-speed manual gearbox also is sourced from Toyota. Pricing has not yet been announced."

 

Thanks, you are so kind, now i can't stand up for the next 15 minutes, and i have to go home early to change my pants..

 

V8 IS:
4.3L DOHC V8 NA
340 HP
300+ TQ
Duel exhausts with custom headers
Getrag 6 speed
3.769:1 LSD
Tein coilovers
Brembo 355x22 front, 345x28 rear brakes
Speed Star SSR rims
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 265/35/18 front, 325/40/18 rear
3350 lbs (estimated)
Rhys Millen front lip
Foose Design paint scheme
Mark Levinson 20 speaker 720-watt sound system (CD/DVD)


All in all, the level of modifications done to this car to achieve the mentioned power levels seems kind of useless. IS300s come with a N/A 2jz, after all...

 

I don't think seeing the V8 is altogether a bad thing, look at Cadillac with the CTS and the soon to be CTS-V using the LS1. I also don't think Toyota should drop the I6 either, but either give it a low boost turbocharger or harken back to some of their older machines and supercharge it. Failing that, a bump to say, 250 in NA trim would be good. As for the Elise...it's using the GT-S Celi engine, but I doubt Toyota would only make motors to cram into another car with a different badge on the hood. If anything regarding the GT-S engine (I feel so stupid not knowing it's code along with the V8's), I'd like to see them put it inside the MR-S since with it's lightweight, the under abundance of torque wouldn't be as apparent. That little 4 banger is everywhere now with the Matrix and the coming XRS.

 

How about 380 from a N/A flat six, Porsche GT3.

Winston

 

see from what i was told on other forums is that they are not gonna make the supra ne more and that its on Toyotas website somewhere about their future cars it mentions that, i forget the link but i will hunt for it... but i dont care i would rather take a Skyline when they come to america so it makes no difference to me wheter they have it or not or even if its turbo or not...

 

The CTS-V is using the LS6 out of the Z06, not the LS1

Toyota is putting a slightly detuned (maybe "detuned") version of the 2ZZ-GE in the Corolla starting sometime soon, and may put it in one of its Scion vehicles as well. I think that they didn't put the 2ZZ in the MR-S but opted for the 1ZZ-FE instead because of the 2ZZ's abrupt transition in to lift. Combine a mid engined, lightweight sports car, an engine with a large jump in torque at 6000rpm, gearing that's long enough for the engine to easily fall out of and then rev back in to its powerband, and a sharp corner and you have a recipe for disaster. Toyota made the MR-S knowing that it would most likely be someone's weekend track car and so mated it with an engine and gearbox that will be most useful at a track.

The only reason that I can see for Toyota dropping the 2JZ from its lineup, besides its antiquity, is that the engine may not pass the new emissions over in Japan without serious retooling or the adding of emissions controls that would negate any power gain given by the addition of a more advanced VVT(L?)i system. It might just be easier and cheaper for them to build a brand new engine than to try to jump through hoops and modify this existing engine to pass all the new emissions tests. A V6 means that they can improve the weight balance in their cars and shorten the engine compartments, so it makes sense.

Judging by dyno numbers (at least the ones I've seen), the GT3 actually gets a little more than 400hp from that engine. I'll look for a dyno and post it if I can find one...

 

Here's a dyno comparing a GT3 and 996TT on the third page of this thread.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...256#post686256

(348.4 hp)/(.85 drivetrain efficiency)= 409.9 hp at the crank. It seems that the GT3 is a little under rated after all.

 

That looks pretty cool, but too futurish for me.

 

damn those jap models get worse and worse

 

Porsche can suck it... sorry had to say it never did like them...

I for one would love for the supra to come out turbo or not... knowing toyota it will be tuned well, and might help us bring on this import REVOLUTION hahaha...

-non

 

yo yo yo dawgs any updates on the supra?