That's because the Vette's "paddle shift" is controlling an automatic transmission with a torque converter. Not a true manual transmission.

The TC-SST in the Evo X MR is controlling a true manual transmission, albeit one that doesn't have a clutch pedal, but still has a clutch. (two of them, actually) Completely different types of transmissions.

 

i dont think i would ever give up my evo 8 for a new evo. just dont like the body style at all, and i dont think they will hold up as well as an evo 8 or 9 on mods

 

I don't miss my 03 at all. Do miss my 06 sometimes, though.

 

Missing shifts and doing funny things with my right hand where the shifter should be isn't a problem with the tranny implementation. Its a driver issue. The Vette's auto is a beast. Chevy's not had auto-tranny issues like the #2 automaker (FOMOCO) and it never itself slipped.

Its the placement of those darn controls and unlearning all I've learned with hands-feet that I never even notice I do now. IMO, that's the big reason for all the loyalty/debate on the thread. Some folks have learned it more than others through experience, and some folks have had more time behind the wheel of automatic trannies. Everyone's different.

Cheers! Any Evo is a good Evo, right!?!

 

What are the things you miss about your 06? I almost bought one, but I didn't really have the wife's approval then and hadn't done enough homework to buy one (ie. "sell" my wife, plan the mod lifecycle), so I waited (and waited and waited) for the X.

I do love my X, but am thinking about another Evo again in my future, new or used are now on my considerations (within reason).

 

The 300 pound less curb weight, the engine, the styling.

 

Why do you miss the engine? That's the one thing I don't miss (though I'm talking about an VIII vs a IX). Just seems the 4B11T is easier to mod than the 4g63 was. Again I have Mivec now, and not before. But it didn't make that big of a difference.

 

There's an order of magnitude more parts and experienced tuners out there for the 4G63 than the 4B11t.

That'll change, but I easily put that into the "plus" side for the Evo 8/9, regardless of how "good" the motor is.

 

I know you're not talking to me, but (having driven both, albeit 4b11 stock) I personally enjoy the character of the motor more - the 4b11 is much smoother, and has proven itself to at least be equal (and probably better) than the 4g63.

Mivec didn't make a big difference? Anyway, to me I just enjoyed the power delivery better from the 4g. the 4b11 felt underwhelming overall (again stock). Even with more power, I don't see the motor straying from that - almost blandness. I know that has no effect on performance, or rather that power delivery may even be better, but I love the mid range boom - the 4g63 is a living legend

 

But if you already have a good tuner(s) (as I do) with the 4B11 then it doesn't really matter. But yah there are definitely more parts, a lot of which weren't the best parts to begin with. There are some amazing parts for the 4g63, but quantity doesn't always trump quality.

When I was referring to Mivec I was referring to the VIII vs IX. They are always very close in performance. I've yet to see a 1100whp IX though (not saying it isn't possible, just throwing that out there).

As far as the smoothness, I think a lot of that has to do with the turbo differences. The turbo on the X was designed to be much smoother and to have a more constant power delivery instead of the hit you're talking about. Compare dyno charts and that becomes clear (I think you are already saying this). Though I would like to point out you can easily add hit to a X just with a tune. The difference between a stock X and a tuned X (with just a UICP and drop-in) is astounding. Why they didn't come from the factory that was just blows my mind.

Either way, yah the hit on the 4g63 was fun. I can see why some people prefer it (it makes them feel like they are going faster). But as I've learned from many years in racing mx, hit can be very bad when being compared to smoothness. If we're talking about pure street cars, the 4g63 is pretty fun. But I'd take a 4B11 for racing any day over the 4G63.

I want to end this with saying I love both engines. I just felt the 4G63 was getting dated in comparison to new engines. The amount of boost the engine needed to keep up with the newer 4B11 block was pretty different. Either way, happy with either engine, just at this point I prefer the 4B11.

 

oh? I thought they ran similar boost stock. I've heard that even with tuning the X's power delivery doesn't stray too far from that smoothness

I definitely agree that the "hit" is worse for racing. But I will say that awd mitigates that somewhat (I remember reading long ago about how the 300zx would understeer in the corner and then suddenly oversteer when the power came on). If I were a serious racer I would probably prefer the 4b11. As it's more of a hobby that I very much enjoy, I love the character the 4g63 brings to my evo.

 

It's definitely not a 4G63 VIII / IX hit, but it's a night and day difference between stock and tuned. Interesting point about the 300zx...

 

Alright this is my first post. I'm really lost, see im an evo ix lover who dreams of buying one i just dont have the money and wont until airforce bootcamp but i just dont see how someone can get the x over the older hardcore evos can someone school me. Does the evo x have that same intensity as the ix? i doubt it but if it does id consider it

 

I suggest reading the first 160 pages of this thread if you'd like opinions. Or even better drive them...

And how could you say you would consider the X if it has the same intensity if you can't even afford a IX? One thing is for sure... every single person on this site who bought an X could have bought a IX and every person who bought a IX could have bought an VIII... It's all preference.

 

I never though I would like the X after having a IX... it depends what you want in a car.... I think just recently I moved the X infront of the IX on my list.