I think it has nothing to do with people fearing the "car" would look bad, and instead their being afraid to post on the internet for warranty concerns. Or maybe make a business look bad, etc.

And here is the issue in my head.
I personally know of and have had my hands on 6 different Evo Xs. They have different mods and some different tuners. Two of their engines have failed, one started picking up a lot more knock, but was able to be tuned out.

I obviously know the issue is not 50% of all Evo Xs effected, but it is a whole lot higher than 1% of them.

I can't account if it is cylinder pressure limitations of the engine, aggressive tuning styles, or a bad batch of rings/pistons that came from the factory.

In the end, its all about money for me. I'm at the point where I would rather have a cheaper + older Evo and have extra money to fix with upgrades if it breaks.

 

I hit 30K also last weekend. But have only had the TBE for 14K of those. So far, no problem.

 

Did all these guys use the same tuner? (just curious). There is a lot more to tuning the X than there was the IX. There is still a lot of testing going on to find the perfect tune. So I'm not going to chalk up failures to weak engine internals yet. There is just way too many modded Xs out there that haven't had any issues. I work closely with the northwest shops, I know of the failures that go on here and so far there has been one which was ETS' 680whp X (after 25k miles).

When people are surrounded by patterns they start to associate fact with perception. Fact may be that it's less than 1% failures, but you just happened to see two (one which was liberally modded). Read the store of the "blind men and the elephant". Then again it may be that I'm the one that has poor perception because there have been so few failures here. (and very few on evom that weren't due to bad tune / abuse). I've yet to see any repeat pattern of 4B11 failures. When I start seeing them drop more and more, I may be concerned. But so far there has been very little to suggest it has weak internals.

With all that being said, I think it's possible you may be trying to convince yourself to get back into a IX because it's cheaper. I've thought about it myself. It sucks paying $400 a month. My last evo I paid cash for. It was really nice not having payments. Then today I drove it, and wow'd myself again. I lose the love for my car when it sits in the garage so much

Until there starts to be a normal pattern, I don't buy that the 4B11 has weak internals. And to address why kyooch said: I'm not a fanboi. I'll admit if the 4B11 is weak and I'll get rid of the car. I'm not going to screw myself over $ wise if it truly is inferior. Sure some X fanbois will stand by the sword (just like other car owners do). But I'm willing to admit when something isn't right. For now, I don't buy it.

 

3 different tuners, 3 different styles. I have seen all the maps.

I know of 12 failures that I can tally up. I can't reveal them, though. I know that sucks, I'm sorry. About half were stock turbos.

Dude, I totally agree with you! I have heard and seen more than most, so my perception is probably way off. Its just hard to trust in it. The one friend's car had very few mods, what I'd consider an easy tune, and he drove like a grandma. The knock was so bad, the car was almost undrivable. It might be something completely stupid like manufacturing defect in his car, but it waited until 25k to die like that.

Daycare is kicking my butt right now, its more than my house. Add on top of that my wife wants to stay at home is weighing on the mind, but all that crap is off topic, sorry about that.

 

Nono, I'm not suggesting that you are at all - I'm just noting, like you said, that some will stand by the sword as you put it, and the number for Xs may be higher just because there has been such a split and so much passion between the new and older cars.

I agree with what you're saying though - no one's suggesting the 4b11 is weak at all - most of what we've seen suggests the exact opposite.

 

I think it's about time to cap off this thread.

Choose any Evo, be happy with it and love it. Personally, I'm at a point where I don't think I can go back to the CT4A evo.

A) I don't trust used performance cars (no matter how "well" they've been taken care of.
B) I love the SST passionately. It's going to be very hard to leave the SST if I decide to get rid of the car (which I don't think I'm going to unless something unforseen happens).
C) I still can't get over how great the traction control and handling is out of the factory. The only thing I'd like to get rid of is some body roll. Maybe some sway bars will cure that.

Either way, all evos are great. Choose your weapon, all will be a fine choice. All of us need to get off of our high horse and love each Evo. /close thread (no serious Noize, close it, now, before a straggler pops in and says EVO IX FTMFW!!!! And then we have to start all over.)

 

Dude, this thread is a staple to this community. I can't close it ever.
I can't wait until we get to add the hybrid XI in here- Looking forward to another 500 pages of complaints!

 

... that thread I won't take part of. Honestly, I think all the people that haven't driven both more than 10 minutes shouldn't either . But yah... staple shmaple. Time to bring another dead horse in

 

yeah but it will come from the same guys again

 

Do you guys know I unstuck this thread for a month and let if fall off the first few pages? Three n00bcakes made 3 new threads. "Should I get a IX or a X? Which is better?"

It is the never ending question.

 

Yah, actually I'm going to unsubscribe. Nothing personal, just tired of beating a dead horse. PM me if anything "new" comes up

 

by now i think its just a matter of preference.

I really hated the evo 10 (especially when i saw the best motoring evo 9 test beating evo 10's) when it came out but it began to grow on me.

What I noticed is that what one model lacks the other one makes up for and vice versa.

I've noticed that alot of evo 10 owners drive their cars everywhere while ct9a owners store or regress from driving theirs. It might be for preservation or not. I noticed that the evo 10 does have a more comfortable cabin/seat. The suspension is not as brutal too. Its a great everyday fast car. The stock suspension on a ct9a is pretty brutal compared to the 10. The features and amneties that the 10 provides you just cannot get from the 8/9, factory spec that is, in the states. For an all out drag/race/track car the ct9a may be the better option but for a quick lightly modded everyday driver, the 10 is the way to go.

my .02 cents at least.

 

yes, and when the Xi will come out it will change the X vs XI ...

It is also a never ending story. Maybe will end if they stop making Evolutions.

 

Here's something funny:

I have owned my Evo X MR since Sept 2008, and love it even more each day.

But, I have a strange itch for an Evo IX that I just can't get rid of. There's a couple for sale locally, and I really enjoyed driving the IX. Much more cruder, rattly, much more turbo lag, etc. etc., but boy was it fun. I just can't stop thinking about it.

Plus, I'm keeping my X stock for warranty purposes, and it would be fun to have a 4G63 to play around with. I sold my E36 M3 a while back, so I don't have a track car anymore. That IX would be a fun car to track--more power than the M3, AWD, about the same weight. (It's an MR, which means the fragile 6-speed, though.)

Then again, for the price of a nice IX, I could buy a nice 05 Boxster S. Or an E46 M3. Or two Spec Miatas...

 

You may want to drive a better IX, one without rattles and exaggerated turbo lag that point to a very used, badly tuned car. FWIW, I'll be buying a BoxterS within the next year or two, but I wouldn't be if I didn't have a IX. YMMV.