If you ask me Toyota is the one full of "hate":

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...128-1o1v9.html

Yeah sure, turbo awd cars are boring

 

That was one dude that said that. It's not Toyota PR saying that. They are very capable at making incredible sports cars, that is the point I was trying to make. This car is a purists sports car....like an Elise, or the Cayman. Devoid of all the computer trickery that makes cars defy physics (GTR). I think by boring, they mean making the driver less a part of the equation. That is what this car is meant to avoid.

 

Whatever man, I find it kind of funny how there are a legion of people online defending this car as the second coming of fun to drive sports cars. It's amazing how some people can swallow a car company's hype hook line and sinker. There are plenty of light weight rwd purist cars still on the market, including the Miata.

At best this is a Miata competitor. At worst it is a RWD Civic SI. There's no need to come online and do Toyota's marketing for them.

 

Sounds like the it's living up to the hype.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...ota_gt_86.html

Other than the Miata (which is a convertible), please name a front engine, rear drive, 6 speed coupe that weighs under 3000lbs for Under $25k.

 

I doubt I could name one regardless of price. Other than the MX-5 I'd be hard-pressed to find any new RWD car that weighs less than 3,000 lbs; with exception of something like an Atom or Lotus 7 clone.

 

Its comparable to a mazda miata but not comparable to a sports car.

I guess it wasn't made for power. Lets see how it drives. I dont think the interior looks back nor the front end.

 

How is it not comparable to a sports car? It IS a sports car (as is the Miata). A sports car isn't solely defined by power.

 

Eager to see one boosted and running some wide tires.

Looks great IMO.

 

There is no official price, Toyota has said the scion would be priced under 30k (which implies closer to 30 then 25), and the BRZ is even more upmarket. Real recent competitors were the RX-8 and the S2000 - both of which had abysmal sales figures at the end of 2009.

Without a price all these reviews might as well exist in a black hole. The competition isn't even well defined. Besides, car reviewers are basically in business to drive the hype machine, if you buy a car based off car reviewers you are doing something wrong in my opinion. Notice especially that pre production car reviews generally don't have anything negative to say about any car? They all want to be invited to the next press event.

 

By that logic, we should ignore all the "hype" around cars like the Evo and completely dismiss all of the car reviews that applaud its handling, power, etc. as nothing more than "business to drive the hype machine". I'm guessing most people that have spoken poorly of the GT86 or the BRZ wouldn't want that. The purpose of reading a review is to get the opinion of someone who does it for a living so you don't waste your time driving cars that are clearly not what you want. I'm really looking forward to the release of this car and it's Subaru brother. It's great to see other car makers adhering to fundamental principles and putting a heavy emphasis on making a car fun and engaging to drive rather than simply give it more power, more fancy electronics, etc.

 

Has something changed with the BRZ? I was under the impression that North America still isn't getting the Suby version, only the Scion.

 

I don't know, the Subaru forums are abuzz with people talking about the car and lots of people complaining that it needs a turbo, big brakes, etc., basically a repeat of what's going on here.

 

BRZ is definitely confirmed for the North American market. Well US at least.

 

That's exactly right. I didn't buy the Evo because of the reviews. I bought it because when I drove it, I felt it was awesome.

The Evo reviews are all meaningless to me. It's a cross between entertainment and advertising, with a very blurry line in the middle. Especially with pre release press coverage.

Wait until they announce a price, line up the real competitors, and do some real honest comparison tests at least.

 

And how does one decide what cars they want to spend time test driving? At some point, most people will undoubtedly rely on some other source to at the very least make the decision that they want to investigate further. Whether that be ads in newspapers, the presence of the car in a movie, TV advertisements, online forums or car reviews, some outside forces provides incentive. To say that all car reviewers are biased is ridiculous. Hell, pick up an issue of Road & Track or Car and Driver and you can see plenty of instances where they openly say a car is garbage.