If this car had about 50 more hp, it would be an instant buy. I loved my S2000, but even that was slow at 240 hp. I know the aftermarket will be able to take care of the power part, but with Subaru talking about a potential 280 hp STi version, I'm squarely in "wait and see" territory at the moment.

 

Makes me wonder how much of a driver you are to say S2000 is slow, because well-driven S2000s are the force to be reckoned on a track.

People need to realize their own driving abilities to go around corners before making a bold statement like above. Not everyone cares about straight line performance only.

 

No need to insult my skill as a driver to get your point across. Yes S2000's are capable track cars, but I don't consider calling a 2,800lb, 240hp, 160lb/ft car slow to be a "bold statement." Power isn't everything to everyone, but for some people, a lot of people on these forums in-fact, there is a minimum level of power that is considered acceptable.

Just as I wouldn't want a fat wallowing pig of a car with 500 hp, I'd have reservations about an excellent handling car that had far less power than I'm looking for.

I agree with you that straight-line performance isn't everything, but neither is handling. All aspects of a car (power, handling, looks, interior, price, practicality, etc.) are factors that determine its worth. I don't think it's unreasonable to want a well-rounded car.

 

Having said all that, I still think the BRZ/FR-S/86 would be an excellent second car.

It would be a great track car since you wouldn't have to upgrade much at all to be able to run it all day, and the wear items are probably really cheap.

It would also be a fun DD if you wanted to go crazy with your Evo.

I guess I'm just salty because I wanted it to be a great "only" car.

 

My apologies if my previous comment sounded as an insult. Maybe it was unnecessarily harsh.

S2Ks are stupendously capable track cars when given a few tweaks and a right driver. To utilize its full power potential, you do need to keep the engine in the high rpm zone as it is a high strung race engine. But you probably already know that since you owned one.

Both S2Ks and FR-S/BRZ are well-balanced cars for their intended purposes and neither of these cars needs additional power to enhance the driving experience in my book. If you differ on that, we would just have to agree to disagree.

The point I'm trying to make is this; what's the point of having all that power if you can't control it all?

 

I agree with this. If only one car, an Evo is a better choice given its size and all-weather capabilities. Evos are awesome cars minus the unwanted attention you get from the cops. I owned one and wish to own one again in the future when I think my driving capabilities are up to the task to drive it to its full potential.

I would hate myself to own either S2k or FR-S/BRZ as my "only" car. I agree that they are better served as a second car.

 

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...ubaru-brz.html


Dealers Already Asking $5,000 Over MSRP on 2013 Subaru BRZ









One of the problems with non-manufacturer-run dealerships is that MSRP is simply a suggestion and if something hot rolls through the door, there's no reason they won't add a few grand on top of MSRP to help boost profits. Imagine if Apple stores were privately owned instead of corporate run; you can bet the markup would've been at least 100% of MSRP.

That makes the just-under-20% currently being dropped on top of the 2013 Subaru BRZ seem downright reasonable. A reader sent us an email correspondence from a local Subaru dealer stating that they are only receiving 20 BRZs this year, many are already spoken for and there is a non-negotiable $5,000 markup on every one. That makes the BRZ a $31,265 proposition.

Too much for a 200hp car? Entirety of the email after the jump.


Dear XXX,

This is XXX from XXXX. The MSRP of the Premium in 6-speed manual with no other options on the vehicle at all is $26,265. Because of it's limited availability and the fact that so many are already being pre-ordered and we are only getting an allotment of 20 for the year we are charging a non-negotiable mark up of $5,000 on every BRZ that we are getting.

So your selling price would be $31,265.

Feel free to contact me through email, the store phone, or even by my cell, which you can also text me on. Whichever is more convenient for you. Looking forward to hearing from you soon! Have a great day!

Thanks,

XXX

 

Lets see.
Slow
Ugly altezza type(welcome to 10 years ago)
Wheels look like ebay 50$ special

Hmm. Anything else??