Really funny how you jump down everyone's throat for speculating about the car and then turn around and speculate how it will be so much better then a Miata with a hard top. You can't even admit that you will need to wait for a test drive? Seriously man, what I'm saying is not so irrational and stop pretending like I'm being so controversial

Anyways my other point was people will cross shop sporty cars at similar price point, regardless of how similar we find them.

People don't cross shop an Accord with a S2000 because an Accord is generally a family car, and a S2000 is a sports car.

WRX and BRZ are both pretending to be sports cars in a way, and sitting right there on Subaru lots, people will definitely notice the distinct performance advantage of a WRX right off the bat. Even though on paper the BRZ and V6 Mustang/Genesis are very different, just the fact that they are two door sporty coupes with similar price tags, they will be cross shopped. I think it's going to be a tough sell for Subaru.

 

Huh? Never once did I say the BRZ will be "so much better than a Miata with a hard top". I pointed out the fact that your assertion or statement

Is logically flawed due to a number of reasons. Such a statement in essence equates convertibles and coupes when they're vastly different. One of those reasons happens to be stiffness. Whether the BRZ is stiffer is unknown in a purely quantifiable way, sure, but in a for qualitative reasons, such an assumption is quite safe. The Miata is not some absurdly stiff supercar and obviously the design is outdated. However, it remains that this point is but a minor one in terms of what is necessary to dismiss your assertion quoted above as BS.

You've also completely glossed over the subjective aspects of the car but whatever, you've clearly made it known that you don't like the car so it's not hard to see why you can't see any reason to buy it over a Miata or S2000. The fact you've compared to two cars however, does raise the issue of how you can dismiss the subjective aspects while putting forth two cars that themselves should have been objectively compared, thereby deciding the "winner" but that's a concept I don't expect you to address or understand for that matter.

The WRX is not a sports car anymore than the Evo is. They are sporty cars, and their performance is obviously very good but they are not sports cars in the way many purists interpret such a term. Rather than have that argument, it is sufficient to say that someone who is seriously considering either car won't seriously consider the other. If you're buying the BRZ, you clearly are not concerned about utility given its coupe design and limited storage space. The WRX on the other hand has that utility, especially if you buy the hatchback version. What it lacks is the sporty element. An alternative comparison would be the MS3 to the Miata. do you honestly think people who are thinking about the Miata will cross-shop it with the MS3? They're vastly different cars. Hell, let's bring back the Accord comparison. You can get the Accord in a V6 format making 272 HP. That's obviously more than the 240 HP found in the S2000 but do you think an S2000 buyer will cross-shop with an Accord?

 

Pretty much the same car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LjYl...layer_embedded

 

I guess there'll be a STi version before too long.

 

I don't know if this link is already posted, but here's a good review on a test drive of the 86. http://www.7tune.com/driven-the-new-toyota-86/

 

Uh oh, yet another biased, hype-driven review written by someone with no motorsports experience and Toyota on the brain .

 

Haha! I thought it was funny how he was first disappointed then he really loved it in the end. That didn't sound right

 

I like how he stated flat out that it didn't need some huge power gain and how he was able to drift it with ease.

 

ambystom01 is completely clueless, lacks any true understanding of automobiles, and pulls crap out of his a$$. I don't even bother responding to his retarded posts anymore.

 

 

It had Direct Injection, and that enables higher compression, possibly enabling the use of 87 octane gas.

Mazda's new direct injection engine, the "Skyactiv-G" has 12:1 compression and accepts 87 octane gas.

Direct Injection has enabled higher compression on other engines, too.

Anyway, since this car has no turbo, I don't want it. I do think it is a great match for other people, however.

 

I love my Mitsubishi, but I don't have such bad feelings about Subaru cars.

I would have actually considered a WRX, but I wanted the TC:SST transmission and a timing chain engine.

I could write an entire thread stating why I passionately hate timing belts.

 

First official pics of TRD version..... Looks sharp!

6 piston brembos on the front!!!!!!!

 

haha, 6 piston brake calipers, I hope the TRD has a some HP boost to justify those brakes

Turbo or super charger would be sweet.

 

Well that didn't take long.

http://www.tune86.com/ft-86-news/169...a-seca-raceway