Toyota GT 86 world debut !!
The Evolution in 2003 was a almost a completely unprecedented vehicle in the NA market. A rally inspired four door car with the tuning potential of a Supra, the 2003 Evolution embarrassed nearly every other car on the market when it was released in 2003. Not to mention it had a huge international following.
The GTR similarly was the first introduction of the GTR series to our market, not to mention the 2009 GTR was promising a world beating super car which retailed for under 70 grand.
Both vehicles in many ways pushed the boundaries and are on the edge of technology and performance.
Just the fact that you have the ***** to compare this Miata competitor in the same sentence as those two icons proves how much of Toyota's marketing you have swallowed without even the opportunity to test drive it.
I have no problems saying that the 86/BRZ/FRS will be an OK car. I'm a little confused about all these people who are pretending that Toyota/Subaru have invented anything new with this car, and there is nothing new in this platform which wasn't available all long in the form of Mazda Miata, Mazda RX-8, Honda S2000. For some reason you weren't "lining up at the dealership" to buy any of those cars.
So again, I say Toyota deserves a damned award for the marketing of this vehicle.
The GTR similarly was the first introduction of the GTR series to our market, not to mention the 2009 GTR was promising a world beating super car which retailed for under 70 grand.
Both vehicles in many ways pushed the boundaries and are on the edge of technology and performance.
Just the fact that you have the ***** to compare this Miata competitor in the same sentence as those two icons proves how much of Toyota's marketing you have swallowed without even the opportunity to test drive it.
I have no problems saying that the 86/BRZ/FRS will be an OK car. I'm a little confused about all these people who are pretending that Toyota/Subaru have invented anything new with this car, and there is nothing new in this platform which wasn't available all long in the form of Mazda Miata, Mazda RX-8, Honda S2000. For some reason you weren't "lining up at the dealership" to buy any of those cars.
So again, I say Toyota deserves a damned award for the marketing of this vehicle.
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Funny how black95tt and ambystom01 feel the need to defend this car to the death before they can even drive it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were working for Toyota either.
All I can say, is I can't wait to drive it personally, because that's all that really matters.
All I can say, is I can't wait to drive it personally, because that's all that really matters.
Funny how black95tt and ambystom01 feel the need to defend this car to the death before they can even drive it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were working for Toyota either.
All I can say, is I can't wait to drive it personally, because that's all that really matters.
All I can say, is I can't wait to drive it personally, because that's all that really matters.
The Evolution in 2003 was a almost a completely unprecedented vehicle in the NA market. A rally inspired four door car with the tuning potential of a Supra, the 2003 Evolution embarrassed nearly every other car on the market when it was released in 2003. Not to mention it had a huge international following.
The GTR similarly was the first introduction of the GTR series to our market, not to mention the 2009 GTR was promising a world beating super car which retailed for under 70 grand.
Both vehicles in many ways pushed the boundaries and are on the edge of technology and performance.
Just the fact that you have the ***** to compare this Miata competitor in the same sentence as those two icons proves how much of Toyota's marketing you have swallowed without even the opportunity to test drive it.
I have no problems saying that the 86/BRZ/FRS will be an OK car. I'm a little confused about all these people who are pretending that Toyota/Subaru have invented anything new with this car, and there is nothing new in this platform which wasn't available all long in the form of Mazda Miata, Mazda RX-8, Honda S2000. For some reason you weren't "lining up at the dealership" to buy any of those cars.
So again, I say Toyota deserves a damned award for the marketing of this vehicle.
The GTR similarly was the first introduction of the GTR series to our market, not to mention the 2009 GTR was promising a world beating super car which retailed for under 70 grand.
Both vehicles in many ways pushed the boundaries and are on the edge of technology and performance.
Just the fact that you have the ***** to compare this Miata competitor in the same sentence as those two icons proves how much of Toyota's marketing you have swallowed without even the opportunity to test drive it.
I have no problems saying that the 86/BRZ/FRS will be an OK car. I'm a little confused about all these people who are pretending that Toyota/Subaru have invented anything new with this car, and there is nothing new in this platform which wasn't available all long in the form of Mazda Miata, Mazda RX-8, Honda S2000. For some reason you weren't "lining up at the dealership" to buy any of those cars.
So again, I say Toyota deserves a damned award for the marketing of this vehicle.
Unprecedented? The Eclipse? Talon? Laser, Celica All Trac (which by the way readily handed the evo it's *** in the 90's wrc), Mazda 323 GTX, Subaru WRX?
And the tuning capability of a Supra is laughable at best. They make great power, sure, but no where near the capability, and most importantly, RELIABILITY of a Supra. Don't put it on a pedestal.
It is something different. I want a hard top (please stop with the miata and S2k BS) lightweight RWD two door sports car. I asked before, but I'll ask again....name ONE AFFORDABLE car that fits this criteria?
I've not swallowed anything of Toyota's. I do however happen to very much like Toyotas because of the great experiences I've had with them in the past. I've owned several of their sports cars and have thoroughly enjoyed them all. What's your experience with them been? My bet is none. My point is that my excitement for this car is not baseless. I won't quickly dismiss it just because of the so called "hype".
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I'm guessing you meant to put Evo here, but I'm not sure. You think the tuning potential of an Evo is laughable? Wow.
I was stating that the comparison between an evo and Supra was laughable. On it's own it's probably one of the best tunable four cylinders. But I wouldn't compare it to a Supra, ever.
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They're both cars and comparing cars is what people do. Nothing is sacred and nothing is untouchable.
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I think it's pretty clear now this guy is a Toyota fan boy. It's fine, just wish you could have admitted that sooner and save us all a bunch of time.
I love the "stop talking about this Miata BS" line. First of all, both the S2000 and Miata have lightweight hard top solutions readily available. You could even get a power retractable hard top convertible Miata which is STILL lighter weight then the 86/FRZ/BZ.
Of course, if two useless back seats and the Toyota badge are more important to you then it all makes sense.
I love the "stop talking about this Miata BS" line.
First of all, both the S2000 and Miata have lightweight hard top solutions readily available. You could even get a power retractable hard top convertible Miata which is STILL lighter weight then the 86/FRZ/BZ.Of course, if two useless back seats and the Toyota badge are more important to you then it all makes sense.
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I think it's pretty clear now this guy is a Toyota fan boy. It's fine, just wish you could have admitted that sooner and save us all a bunch of time.
I love the "stop talking about this Miata BS" line. First of all, both the S2000 and Miata have lightweight hard top solutions readily available. You could even get a power retractable hard top convertible Miata which is STILL lighter weight then the 86/FRZ/BZ.
Of course, if two useless back seats and the Toyota badge are more important to you then it all makes sense.
I love the "stop talking about this Miata BS" line.
First of all, both the S2000 and Miata have lightweight hard top solutions readily available. You could even get a power retractable hard top convertible Miata which is STILL lighter weight then the 86/FRZ/BZ.Of course, if two useless back seats and the Toyota badge are more important to you then it all makes sense.
Way too much arguments over this car.
Why do people buy cars like the Porsche Cayman as opposed to a Corvette?
Partly because of the Porsche name but from all accounts the Cayman is a great "driver's car".
Of course that term can mean different things for different people.
Everybody will have different opinions on any car given their respective prior car experiences and pre-conceived notions.
Being on an Evo forum, I can assume we all love Evo's, but I can guarantee you not every car enthusiast will love an Evo.
Different strokes for different folks.
Agreed.
IMO it's not crazy to compare the aftermarket/power potential of the Supra vs. Evo nowadays.
Maybe 5-6 years ago the comparison was crazy, but the power being made by Evo's now is nothing to sneeze at.
I still give the Supra the edge due to the strength of the stock block, but it's not the "sacred cow".
The funny part is I actually own a Supra now after having previously owning an Evo..........
Both are great platforms; nuff said.
Why do people buy cars like the Porsche Cayman as opposed to a Corvette?
Partly because of the Porsche name but from all accounts the Cayman is a great "driver's car".
Of course that term can mean different things for different people.
Everybody will have different opinions on any car given their respective prior car experiences and pre-conceived notions.
Being on an Evo forum, I can assume we all love Evo's, but I can guarantee you not every car enthusiast will love an Evo.
Different strokes for different folks.
IMO it's not crazy to compare the aftermarket/power potential of the Supra vs. Evo nowadays.
Maybe 5-6 years ago the comparison was crazy, but the power being made by Evo's now is nothing to sneeze at.
I still give the Supra the edge due to the strength of the stock block, but it's not the "sacred cow".
The funny part is I actually own a Supra now after having previously owning an Evo.........
.Both are great platforms; nuff said.
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I think it's pretty clear now this guy is a Toyota fan boy. It's fine, just wish you could have admitted that sooner and save us all a bunch of time.
I love the "stop talking about this Miata BS" line. First of all, both the S2000 and Miata have lightweight hard top solutions readily available. You could even get a power retractable hard top convertible Miata which is STILL lighter weight then the 86/FRZ/BZ.
Of course, if two useless back seats and the Toyota badge are more important to you then it all makes sense.
I love the "stop talking about this Miata BS" line.
First of all, both the S2000 and Miata have lightweight hard top solutions readily available. You could even get a power retractable hard top convertible Miata which is STILL lighter weight then the 86/FRZ/BZ.Of course, if two useless back seats and the Toyota badge are more important to you then it all makes sense.
Either you are concerned that the attention being paid to this car somehow overshadows your almighty Evolution -OR- you are simply a colossal jackass who is raining on this parade for no reason.
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So people are getting excited about a new car with big promises. What is it to you?
Either you are concerned that the attention being paid to this car somehow overshadows your almighty Evolution -OR- you are simply a colossal jackass who is raining on this parade for no reason.
Either you are concerned that the attention being paid to this car somehow overshadows your almighty Evolution -OR- you are simply a colossal jackass who is raining on this parade for no reason.
This is after all a discussion board. I have my opinion, other people have theirs, we come here to share and discuss. Just because I think this car is almost 100% hype and there have been better options on the market for over 10 years now (at least on paper, which is all we have to go on at this point) - doesn't mean I'm a jackass.