Toyota GT 86 world debut !!
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/13/t...-car-unveiled/
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The engine will be difficult to make more power out of. I also have it on good authority that Toyota had a difficult time hitting the power target of 200hp and that TRD also will NOT be doing a supercharger kit for it; that's okay though as there's a much higher probability that Subaru will make a turbo version (http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...86fr-sbrz.aspx).
Now, on to why it'll be difficult to make significantly more power out of this thing. A good engine to compare will be the Honda F20c out of the S2000 with both engines being 2.0L. Everyone knows the F20c made 120hp/L, and it's taken until the last couple years for Ferrari and Porsche to match with the F458 and GT3RS.
So the F20c made 240hp at 9k rpms which translates into 140 lb-ft of torque. The 86/BRZ has a redline of 7400rpms. Take that torque figure of 140 and plug it in at 7400rpms and guess how much power you get.... anybody? 197hp. Hey, that looks like the rating for the FRS from Toyota.
S2000s put down roughly 200whp stock. S2000s running cold-air intakes, headers, exhaust, test pipe, and tuning will only put down about 230whp. That's roughly $4k in parts to make a 15% gain. Additionally, not smog legal and loud as hell. So that's about 134wtq.
Take that 134 wtq at 7400rpms and that'll be 189whp. That's a pretty good estimate of what this FRS/BRZ will max out at staying NA with intake, header, test pipe, exhaust, and tuning, up from an estimated 167whp stock. The power could be increased if the redline were extended, but even if it could be used to 8500rpms, that still only 216whp, assuming the heads flow well.
Now, on to why it'll be difficult to make significantly more power out of this thing. A good engine to compare will be the Honda F20c out of the S2000 with both engines being 2.0L. Everyone knows the F20c made 120hp/L, and it's taken until the last couple years for Ferrari and Porsche to match with the F458 and GT3RS.
So the F20c made 240hp at 9k rpms which translates into 140 lb-ft of torque. The 86/BRZ has a redline of 7400rpms. Take that torque figure of 140 and plug it in at 7400rpms and guess how much power you get.... anybody? 197hp. Hey, that looks like the rating for the FRS from Toyota.
S2000s put down roughly 200whp stock. S2000s running cold-air intakes, headers, exhaust, test pipe, and tuning will only put down about 230whp. That's roughly $4k in parts to make a 15% gain. Additionally, not smog legal and loud as hell. So that's about 134wtq.
Take that 134 wtq at 7400rpms and that'll be 189whp. That's a pretty good estimate of what this FRS/BRZ will max out at staying NA with intake, header, test pipe, exhaust, and tuning, up from an estimated 167whp stock. The power could be increased if the redline were extended, but even if it could be used to 8500rpms, that still only 216whp, assuming the heads flow well.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/24/f...6-coupe-dynod/
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There is no official price, Toyota has said the scion would be priced under 30k (which implies closer to 30 then 25), and the BRZ is even more upmarket. Real recent competitors were the RX-8 and the S2000 - both of which had abysmal sales figures at the end of 2009.
Without a price all these reviews might as well exist in a black hole. The competition isn't even well defined. Besides, car reviewers are basically in business to drive the hype machine, if you buy a car based off car reviewers you are doing something wrong in my opinion. Notice especially that pre production car reviews generally don't have anything negative to say about any car? They all want to be invited to the next press event.
Without a price all these reviews might as well exist in a black hole. The competition isn't even well defined. Besides, car reviewers are basically in business to drive the hype machine, if you buy a car based off car reviewers you are doing something wrong in my opinion. Notice especially that pre production car reviews generally don't have anything negative to say about any car? They all want to be invited to the next press event.
To: All Scion Dealers March 20, 2012
Subject: 2013MY Scion FR-S Price Announcement
Scion is pleased to announce the starting price of $24,200 for the highly awaited 2013MY Scion.
FR-S which will arrive at Scion dealerships in June. Even with DPH, the starting price is still under $25,000!
2013MY Scion FR-S Highlights:
This high performance sports car is the fifth model to join the Scion family. Inspired by the
Toyota AE86, FR-S is designed around the core goal of achieving, “Pure Balance.” This
balance begins with the use of the world’s only front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration
using a flat boxer engine.
Some of the great standard features on FR-S include:
• 2.0 liter, 200 horsepower, naturally aspirated four-cylinder boxer engine
• Toyota’s cutting edge D-4S injection system with direct and port
injection
• 6-speed manual transmission that offers quick precise shifts with a short
throw
• 6-speed automatic transmission with rev-match and steering-wheel
mounted paddle shifters
• Torque Sensing Limited Slip Differential
• 17-inch alloy wheels and ventilated disc brakes
FR-S’s interior ****pit instantly exudes a “sports car” feel. The front sports seats are shaped to
accommodate manual shifting and support longitudinal and lateral G-force. The leather
wrapped 3-spoke sports steering wheel, utilizes the smallest diameter in the Scion lineup.
The idea of “Pure Balance” is further realized by FR-S’s lightweight design and compact size.
This allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of corners. This combination is further
proof that Scion is truly “Bringing the Sport Back to the Car.”
The FR-S will be available in seven colors including Raven, Asphalt, Hot Lava, Argento,
Ultramarine, Firestorm and Whiteout.
Pricing Summary Documents:
MSRP for the FR-S six-speed manual and six-speed sequential automatic transmissions are $24,200 and $25,300 respectively.
Model Transmission Description 2013 Base
MSRP
6253 6MT FA20 $24,200
6252 6AT FA20 $25,300
All prices listed above exclude the Delivery, Processing, and Handling (DPH) fee
Pricing will be announced to the public on Thursday, March 22, 2012. Please keep this
information confidential until Thursday, March 22, 2012. Pricing details will be available in
the Scion FR-S Price Guides posted in the “Secure Area” for Dealer Principals on Dealer Daily.
Please contact your Regional Office or local administrator if you have any questions.
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