You haven't been paying attention. While no "official" price has been revealed, it is pretty much certain from insider info that the Scion version will start at $22k. The Subie around $25k.

Let's look at the starting price of current Scions:

Scion iQ $15,995
Scion xD $16,075
Scion xB $17,030
Scion TC $19,305

Do you really think they going to price this car THAT much higher? Everything I've read is $22-23k for the base model.

 

Nothing is official, and things aren't as certain as you claim. Subaru has only claimed they are trying to aim for WRX prices. Toyota themselves said the Scion would be "under 30000":

http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s...price-tag.html

That is all the official remarks about pricing so far.

And yes, I absolutely think this car will retail for higher then 25k. Toyota is even calling it a "halo" car

 

I think you'd be hard pressed to find me a single review which out and out calls a car "garbage". And I doubt there is a pre-production review anywhere which openly calls a car "garbage".

 

Clearly you don't watch or read Top Gear or really pay attention to what is said in car magazines in general. Given how many reviewers are standing behind this car, and the comments being made, it seems unlikely it's going to be a POS when it is released. By all accounts, it does what Toyota and Subaru wanted it to do.

 

Top Gear is pure entertainment. They have trashed plenty of cars for the sole purpose of entertainment. Pretty much the worst example you could have used ever

 

Actually Top Gear magazine is a legitimate magazine. You do know there's a magazine right?

 

What is it that you have against this car?

Quoted from Jalopnick:

Tweets from the Japanese launch are offering up new insight on that half of the Subyota equation. Most specifically, pricing and options. The BRZ will reportedly start at around $24,000 and rise to $27,000 for the Limited model.

http://jalopnik.com/5864550/subaru-b...tarts-at-24000



The Scion is an even lower trim model. The $22k starting price makes sense. They know they can't sell a Scion at much above $25k.

 

Really, it's not like their going to release the car and suddenly want $50000 for it. The estimates may be off by a few thousand here or there but they still give a good ball park figure.

 

That Jalopnik story is not official pricing, again I think it's closer to "aiming for" and not "Subaru announced". Toyota is on record saying the Scion is "under 30,000". I think if they really meant under 25, they would have said so.

I have nothing against this car, but Toyota's marketing and official announcements have been pretty annoying, talking about "boring" awd turbo cars, and acting like they are inventing something new here.

I think this will be an "OK" car. It will fit somewhere between a Miata, and a RX-8/S2000. But it isn't as groundbreaking as people are making it out to be, and there have been several "fun" RWD cars on the market recently that were completely ignored.

Again, I don't understand why people feel the need to come online and do Toyota's marketing for them. Personally I am reserving judgement until I can actually test drive the car.

 

looks like a hyundai genises had a kid but i dont know who the father is, either a 370z or a Z4

 

EHH ill stick to my evo still best all around car

 

There are more low powered good handling cars available than the other way around. It's not like that combo has been missing from the market (Miata, mx5, s2000, RX8, etc). What has been missing is the Rx7 turbo type of cars. Strong engine with alot of potential (ie, Turbo) in a light and good handling chassis. That to me is fun, not the other way around.

 

optional turbo kit needed.

or atleast a kit be released within a couple months. to make up for how ugly they ended up making it.

 

I agree, an optional (factory) turbo version for the car is needed.

As for aftermarket add on turbo kits, it will be very limited in performance on pump gas (without redoing the engine), because of the 12.5 to 1 compression ratio in the n/a motor.

 

Worth noting, the GT-86 weighs the same has the same HP level as an FC RX-7 turbo, but probably a lot more torque.