Prove it. I maintain that dealers will likely have some 'evidence' that supports their decision to deny the warranty work.

 

I already have. It's also ironic that someone with a JD is relying on speculation and theories to advance a position that ignores common law contractual principles. I hope that degree came with a warranty.

 

Nemsin, dealer can not pull all this data that you seem to think they can.. How do I know? I've worked with some of latest OEM diag equipment....

Like I previously stated, some ECU's will have permanent codes if the engine is OVER revved, or over heated. But they do not have the capability you are theorizing.

 

Attacking my degree does not advance your argument. In the real world, when a manufacturer denies a warranty claim they have a reason. That reason may or may not hold up in court, but they will undoubtedly be able to provide some reasoning/evidence for their denial. Whether its some form of a code/data, or possibly expert testimony.

Do you really think dealers just arbitrarily decide who gets warranty work and who doesn't? If so, you are a simpleton.

 

You continue to show your ignorance on OEM engine control systems. They DO NOT COLLECT DATA in a long term format.

Actually, kind of yes. Dealers have a dollar limit before they have to call in a warranty claim, so up until that point, it's pretty much up to them unless they deny it, and you escalate it to the manufacturer. And even if it's above that dollar limit and they do have to call it in, how they word/explain things to the manufacturer has a huge impact on whether or not the warranty claim gets approved. This is why having some rapport with a service department always helps your cause.

 

Completely dealer based, I belong to a smaller automotive forum, the car has a GDi-T engine, in 2013 when the car was released, it was so with "weaker/sub par" internals and some questionable factory calibration, also called for 5w-30 oil

Many many many modded and unmodded cars engines grenaded, we know now most situations were the result of repeated LSPI events which can be a real problem for GDi engines. Some folks had their engines replaced by the dealership no questions asked as dealer got approval immediately from corporate, others not so lucky, sometimes the regional rep would get involved they would approve replacement and other times not, most all in our community had opened cases with corporate themselves as well as the dealer call for approval. In none of the cases has the dealer had any OBDII data to back the claim that it was the drivers negligence that caused the engine to grenade (literally), obviously for the modified cars it was easy, intake, exhaust, OCC's, intercooler, caused increase in power the car was not designed to handle, or oiling system was tampered with via the installation of OCC's I won't even go to ECU tuning as the ECU in the car cannot be tuned by conventional methods, ie OBDII port. Therefore the few folks that have had canned bench flashes or Dyno tunes were done on seperate ECU's, owners always keep their original.

So outside a couple dumbasses that brought their car in for engine replacement that were denied for a replacement as the dealer could clearly see the ECU was opened up as there is glyptal on the screws of the ECU case and tape.

Many guys/gals with untouched vehicles are still without engines 4 yrs later, or had to buy used auto recycling yard engines which are ~5k complete which isn't too bad I guess.

Funny thing is in mid 2014 there was a change to pistons, rods, plugs were stepped down a heat range, TSB's were released, owners manual updated for both use of top tier gas stations only and recommendation of a 5w-40 oil vs the 5w-30 it previously called out for.

2015 saw more ECU mapping revisions to aid in preventing LSPI from what the couple tuners that can access these ECU's found, another update to rods and pistons, plugs were again different from the factory (be it the same heat range they made the original change to, it's a different plug),a fuel line TSB for the LPFP, and 2x injector revisions.

2016 ECU mapping was completely revamped with added tables and such for what tuners have claimed is further LSPI prevention, and completely different ignition coils and injectors.


Only seen complaints posted for a couple of newer MY cars letting go, and these were higher mileage unmodded vehicles. Likely due to no owner LSPI prevention during all that mileage. Engines were replaced no questions asked in these couple cases. After dealer spoke with corporate

So a lot of this stuff is dealer/regional rep discretion some modded have been replaced some unmodded have not, there was a post where one younger owner had contacted a lawyer but then posted he realized even if he wins the case and they are made to replace the engine, he was looking at months before he'd even get to plead his case, and car company has a lot more money than him, and it would be cheaper for him to cough up the 5k or so and had a used low milage 2015 engine and ECU installed in the car.

Crap part here is automaker knew there was an issue hence multiple part and ECU upgrades/updates of which specifically were made to combat the shortcomings of the original design, yet so many of the cars letting go as the new model years came out with the updates were still getting denied warranty and some were not. Definitely I've read about more being denied rather than replaced for sure.

This has been going on for years and years across multiple platforms. Moss Mag from all my research really only helps when you put non dealer factory replacement auto parts in a car, be it yourself or a shop and dealer tried to say since it's not our oil filter your compatible wix filter is to blame, or your Denso plugs that aren't our plug caused the issue even though the part is correct for the car

 

Attacking my intelligence does not advance your argument. You continue to rely on speculation as evidence despite being told multiple times now that your assumptions are wrong.

It's the RS thread all over again. You take a position without evidence and then expect to prove to you that you are wrong.

I'll gladly help you make a refund demand.

 

Nemsin: you have a person who deals with the law as a career commenting on the legal side. Then someone with experience on the automotive end. Particularly the workings of the ECU and its capabilities. That's two people with direct knowledge and personal experience.
Versus your theories.
Unless I'm missing something in the last page or two of this thread, which I did my best to ignore.
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Since when has that stopped him, man? The RS thread is a testament to how he reacts to facts and experience-based opinions - he ignores them unless they validate his preconceived theories.

 

yep

our car is very subjected to that also.
They can get visual proofs etc, not just from ECu , they can see on components, like fly wheel, Brake calipers etc. Miss use or over abuse of the car.
Which certainly can lead to legit warranty denial.
Typical American attitude, as soon as you enter the dealership they owe you, because you bought the car there no matter what..
I am still amazed how many times people think , dealerships etc are stupid by the default to being "just" a dealership etc.

 

Well, you know how we typical Americans are. Just plain ignorant about stuff.

 

like me

 

So if there is an engine failure, what sort or diagnostic data (if any) is a manufacturer able to gather to try to determine the cause of the failure?

 

You're the person making the claim that they can come up with data to support the denial of legitimate warranty claims. Perhaps you should know the answer to your own question before taking a position based on its theoretical existence.

 

Okay, so we've moved past the ridiculousness of accusing me of making the whole thing up and on to trying to insist that it is up to me to explain, spoon feed and bring you up on something that exists and is in play.


GLWT.


Again, for some people in some states there may be a recourse of action that does not involve lawyers. Check all the stuff they gave you when you bought your car, anything marked with "Dispute Resolution Agreement" or "Binding Arbitration."