^ LOL, I kinda figured that you just got those backwards.

 

Dave Ryan, MM Sporting Director sacked due to his role in the Aussie GP scandal. (I guess that's what happens when you lie to the FIA on multiple occasions and get caught... )

IDIOTS!!! Way to go guys

What will McLaren do next to try to get themselves thrown out of F1? I'm sure they'll figured something out...

Go Red Team!!! We'll get some points one of these days.

 

I love KERS, it makes everything so much fun, plus it gives us all something to praise,wonder,*****,discuss,ponder about.

It will be really interesting to see what happens with KERS next year.

 

Well ... here is something to ponder, if all cars are forced to have the same weight, the cars without KERS will end up with a lower power to weight ratio = bad. This would leave the cars without KERS at a disadvantage. Ofcourse there are other factors, eg: reliability, safety ... I'm speaking purely from a performance perspective.

 

But there is a large advantage in placing 80 pounds where you want it over placing 80 pounds in unfavorable positions.

 

Now it appears Ron Dennis may be on the chopping block and McLaren and Lewis Hamilton maybe excluded from both championships.

As much as I dislike Lewis, I wouldn't want to see either of those things happening. They were assessed a penalty already, just let it go. The FIA and WMSC need to just clarify the diffuser issue already and let them race. I was quite disappointed that the teams decided not to split from F1 this year and create their own racing series.

 

 

Did you really think that anything like this was going to have a slight chance of happening with the economy the way it is? Plus any series that is going to compete against F1 is fighting an uphill battle. F1 is a really big deal around the world. A good comparison to think about would be if a few Nascar teams decided to start there own series in America, if you never survive.

Plus you also would have to consider who would ever even consider leaving for an opportunity like this. Ferrari, MM, and Renault would never leave there is to much history and pride involved. Plus this teams build motors for other teams.

Who would that leave that would be worth developing a new series around?

I am not trying to come across rude, just some things to think about.

 

LOL, I was ROFL when I saw that, dude was like race? What race?

 

I didn't take it as rude in any way Billy but don't agree at all.

One of the major talking points and battles that the teams association have been having with the FIA are the amount of money that they see versus the revenue that the FIA reel in, the use of tracks that are not in high market share countries and the constant unnecessary changes that the FIA bring into the sport.

If there were no FIA (middle man). The teams association would directly make contracts with each venue's organizers and broadcasters, they wouldn't be making less money during these tough economic times, they would be making more.

If Ferrari and MM were to part ways with the FIA, F1 would not exist. Therefore there would be nothing to compete with. Those two teams easily hold more than half of F1's market share and every other team on the grid would follow their lead.

Do you believe that fans have a bigger allegiance to their team or to the FIA? Do you think any of the constructors besides Renault don't mind not having a North American GP? For Ferrari, Mercedes, Honda and Toyota It is by far their biggest market and it severely hurts their pockets to not have a race here just so that they can have a race in Singapore where they sell maybe 1% of the cars they do in North America. But why does F1 have a race their? Because Bernie puts more in his pocket than he would in Montreal, meanwhile the teams see the same cash. Heck pretty soon there won't be a Spa or Hockenheim GP, could you imagine that? I couldn't.

I have thought about the things you have brought up as well, but at the end of the day it would be the best thing for the teams, the drivers and the fans.

We would have faster, better performing F1 cars that would continue to push the envelopes of technology and innovation. But with the FIA in command in 20 years instead of us having road cars that perform better and are more reliable than the cars we have today we will have cars that can't rev past 5000rpms and catch fire spontaneously.

I am a firm believer that the FIA killed WRC and they are killing F1. I wish it weren't so.

A lot of blame must also be put on Ferrari's president as the head of the teams association, I know he has taken side money before to not leave F1 and with the new deal he has signed he surely has taken more. That is the only reason Ferrari stayed in F1 a few years ago. Greed sucks.

But I can't deny it has been an exciting two races.

 

Good points over all, except Nissan has a large share in Renault ... and a good presence in the US.

 

Most of my argument is based off of the fact that Ferrari and MM will never leave F1, there is far to much history and pride involved for ether team to split.

While America is a huge market in the way of consumer goods, there are bigger markets out there for F1. F1 is not nearly as popular in America as it is anywhere else in the world. Americans like to be bored out of there mind when they watch racing

Yes the cars might be faster if there was no FIA but at what cost. Safety and performance have to meet at some point. I think that the FIA has done a great job of keeping that point in check, while also bringing back overtaking. Yes this is a period of great change but i think in the end we will see that it is all for the better.

 

It was the FIA's decision to get away from slicks, which led to all the aerodynamic developments to keep the cars fast which lead to F1 races becoming processions. They are fixing a problem that they created.

If the problem is pride and history behind the F1 brand name then the solution might just be to get rid of Bernie and Max.

I think the safety issue has been taken care of a long time ago, being 1 second a lap faster won't matter much, even with all these changes to reduce speeds the cars are approaching times comparable to the 2004 season.

I do hope you are right though, that everything going on now will all be for the better.

 

I really do feel strongly that these are steps in the right direction, and i could not agree more that Bernie and Max should go.

 

I have to agree to. As bad as limiting the aero sounds, it's the right thing to do. Due to heavy aero development, whomever was out in front was pretty much uncatchable in corners as all the cars behind would get caught in the "dirty air" and just wouldn't have the same amount of downforce to make a pass.