I guess, time to write letter about any clutch pad material (or even a whole disk inside the stock pressure plate) to be allowed just as brake pads are...

 

We're getting tons of feedback on these proposals, we'd have a 100 page fastrack if we answered every letter with full and through responses. your letter was definitely not just swept under the rug even if that's how it appears in the fastrack response. I think it is safe to say your viewpoint in the minority.

 

If you can find any of these monster torque dyno graphs from a car with ST legals mods on 93 octane, I'd love to see them.

Everything i've seen with that much torque is either on e85 or has something not ST legal (like an aftermarket turbo).

 

curious re: the hardware portion for boost control - was his viewpoint in the minority because people actively said no to mechanical boost controllers while saying yes to open ECU, or were there just not many responses on mechanical boost controllers, because today's turbocharged car can simply tune boost via the ECU? most guys running turbo cars today will be satisfied by the open ecu to tune boost. us older dogs though..

 

So, is it pretty much safe to assume that 2018 would have ECU boost changes allowed?

 

Tune only.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/10...g?v=1469075307

Add intake, exhaust, hfc.

 

That should hit 400 mark pretty easy!!

 

Fair enough

I absolutely get that there are people who:
* want to increase boost because boost is fun
* want to add the allowance because they don't want to deal with enforcement at the ECU level since it is murky as hell

I just don't see why once you allow some cars more boost, you don't allow all of them to (even if it requires a different allowance). Yes not every car can take advantage of every allowance, but we're creating a new allowance from scratch, and we don't necessarily know which way manufacturers are trending in terms of limiting by ECU vs limiting by hardware. Adding a hardware allowance would cover both possibilities.

I mean.. I tried

 

I think there was some back and forth between open ECU & open boost on RRAX, and ultimately there was some pushback on open boost. frankly I think it was simply due to the optics of "open boost" vs "open ECU" that turned people off, particularly the N/A guys... I don't recall the exact reasoning though, but I'm in agreement here.

there's definitely some who cares about evos going on too. only ones who give ****s about making sure its fair are evo drivers (and other old school turbo cars that don't tune boost via ecu), and those are few in STU still.

 

This is definitely a difficult subject! If we do get open ECU allowance, what is going to happen with other things that are in there and illegal to change? Thinks like transmission maps, traction control,...

The point is that those are prohibited elsewhere, but if they are part of that code that is hard to get (especially flash code that could be encrypted as well) we might be back on the square one...

 

Or we can make Stu practical to the average none scca car. Clutch, boost flashes, boost controllers, bolt ons like intercoolers downpipes exhausts. Get rid of manifolds and batteries. The rules are old and don't apply to what people normally do to cars.

 

very difficult to take back rules, which is prob part of the reason they are usually very hesitant to put them on

 

Are people still eating clutches regularly? I have dialed back in the past couple of years, but I have 35K miles, almost 600 runs and 95+ Pro launches on an OEM clutch I had installed back in early 2011.

I get it if you're doing two/three-driver Pros 3-4 times a year, but is this an issue for anyone else?

A clutch allowance would be sort of nice if I wanted to do OLOA or something, but I haven't seen the point otherwise.

 

is anyone still driving evos in STU nationally, regularly, and competitively?

unless something has improved with the OEM clutch, the underlying conditions of an oft-driven car should not have changed, no? it's not that it's no longer a problem, it's that people just don't bother campaigning these cars as hard as they used to pre-350z/vette. unless there is something with the clutch material or power delivery that has changed?

 

Jimmy in California is still pushing it. Doug/Tasha Mikko got a Focus RS they've been playing with in BS but they still have their competitive STU evo. I think they are waiting for the dust to settle on rules before figuring out what they're doing.