March-April works better for me as well depending on cost.....

 

I've been way to busy for my own good! Brian it's easy to do the multiple thing, I'll show you sometime!

 

Travman: I ordered the downpipe and test pipe yesterday. Besdides the wideband O2 is there anything else i should get prior to checking the maps? How much would you want to check it out for me? Also , any suggestion on which wideband to get ?

Thanks,

Brian

 

I will pull your map for no cost just to see if anyone has messed with it prior to you owning it....I can meet you in Avalon/Bellevue on 65 anytime since your up in moon, i live over off McKnight.

Innovate LC-1...Interfaces nicely with evoscan and is priced nicely. Below is a link of a place that sells them for a decent price, they also have a package that comes with either a square digital gauge or round digital gauge. I don't have an external gauge but was thinking about getting the one that is the size of a key and just Velcro it to the dash when i want to see my afr without logging. But to gauge or not to gauge is your choice

http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store...idcategory=118

Also summitracing.com has them for a good price too.

ONe more option for you direct from innovate...includes the LC-1 + Tactrix cable which is needed to flash your car not a bad bundle...+ inc. the ecuflash software and directions.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=265&page=2

Another thing you will need is evoscan so you can log your car and keep up to date with whats going on with your car/tune....Its $25.00

http://www.limitless.co.nz/EvoScan/

If you dont get the bundle from innovate....then you need to get a tactrix cable from here:

http://www.tactrix.com/product_info....04c57dd94e4ad3

and download ecuflash from here:

http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=EcuFlash

If anyone wants a free OBDII scanner for there laptop that works with the tactrix cable you can DL here:

http://www.techdiag.co.uk/obdscantech/web/home.html

Oh and I hope you have a laptop!

 

Sage advice Travis. Those are all the goodies you need.

and cams

 

baby steps dave....

 

Travis, someone like yourself who knows the program real well, are you constantly making adjustments? Or at a certain point are you satisfied? For me, tuning would become like an obession trying to squeeze everything out and doing so without any real knock. And with the weather going from 80 degrees to 20 in a 24 hour period, things would just seem crazy.

And answer one other tuning question for me. Most agressive tuners tune for 0-6 counts of knock. Why tune with any knock when all it does is pull timing and slow down the car? I've heard numerous times that people who tune for 0 knock leave a lot on the table. Could that just mean they could be far off from that first knock count? In other words, 1-3 counts means the car is optimized?

 

Well my view on tuning is from the other end of the spectrum. I personnally don't want to touch the car as far as tuning goes. I'm much happier having someone else tune the car once and be done with it. I'm more of a get in the car a drive it kinda guy. So you really don't need any of the thing Travman is saying. Get an email flash from anyone of the tuners around and you'll be happy. What your gaining from trying to milk every ounce outa a tune is not worth it in my book. You can make the driver faster way before any extra HP in an EVO is ever needed! .

Now if you want to learn and do it yourself go right ahead. It is never a bad thing to kno more about your car.

 

Yeah well in Jeremy's case, he can probably drive a stock evo faster than we all could with a 35r evo. Right Jer?

I do agree with Jeremy too. Afterall, I chose to have a professional tuner tune my car three seperate times! And like Travis's list suggests... It does get expensive. But so does retune after retune. It's all just personal preference. Obviously if I had both options available, I would do it myself. I don't have a laptop yet, so it wasn't possible for me. And I also wanted my car tuned one final time so I could be done with it.

 

Hey Mike evo, why don't you ****** up Dan's old cams??? A great deal if you're interested. Just a thought...

 

I wouldn't say im constantly making adjustments but I do try different things to see how the car reacts.....Also tunes are not set in stone, you have to find a happy medium or have multiple maps to flash in different conditions. You will drive yourself crazy if your always making adjustments to weather, temps, humidity, etc. But sometimes you need to if you want to keep the car running the same as the first day you had it tuned. Unless your at the track racing there is no need to max out your tune that it knocks a lot. You find that limit from tuning then back it down a little so that you have that cushion for things like weather etc...Makes the car less volatile imo.

Now if i go to the track or dyno I may mess with it more to squeeze out that extra mph or hp but its probably not what i want to run everyday because it is just to picky and can be good one day and be bad the next.

Your never satisfied though but you have to realize this is all the car wants and unless i put race fuel in or another additive, this is the best im going to get and just leave it alone.

On the VIII's it seems they really don't pull much if any until 4-5 counts from what I have seen. Now the IX's are a bloody b*tch, 1 count pulls 1 degree on my car and so on. So when I have 3 counts of knock my car is pulling 3 degrees of timing at least and im losing power. So I pretty much I want to tune for around 0 knock and push it enough that occasionally 1-2's pop up from running it hard (consecutive pulls, weather, etc) but doesn't knock so much all the time I lose power and hurt the longevity of the motor....so if i have to run 1-2 degrees less timing its better than trying to run more timing and have it pulled out eventually anyway.

Most times if the knock isn't consistent I don't worry about it because your car will knock at times day to day and there isn't much you can do about it, they can be moody lil bi*ches ....but if every log and every pull I get the same knock at the same rpm at the same load I will make an adjustment because obviously there is an issue.....I have seen 1 degree of timing take away 5 counts of knock and go straight to 0 next pull. So I would say if you log and sometimes you get knock and sometimes you don't then you have a pretty good optimized tune that is pushed but not pushed to the point its a real moody day to day thing.

Like I have said every tuner has his/her own style and nobody ever agrees on who is right and who is wrong, but what i do seems to work and I feel the car makes good safe power for all around driving and the way it felt last night was pretty bad ***

- done

 

Your truly brave if you trust someone that much and not even log the car to make sure everything is ok from time to time....i wouldn't want to fly blind like that.

$325.00 for wideband, logger and cable isn't a bad deal when it comes to the price of a new motor. Thats my justification

 

I don't think i'll ever keep up with a 35r evo. LOL. Altho i did take a 30r RX7. . That was mostly becuase of traction tho.

Yes i am a brave one there travman. If it blows that just means i get to build it better. Now when i do that, I will then make sure i monitor it close. You would have to have a pretty bad tune to hurt anything on a stock turbo evo, with basic bolt on's.

 

Travman is putting down gospel.

Granted I used Dave Buschur to tune my AEM. But it has been logged and remapped several different times , with different approaches to tuning fuel/timing adjustments, just to see how the car reacted. Its nice to know that you got that map in the arsenal to run even 2-3 mph faster on a run.

You might not run it every day but you dont have to , that is the sweet part about tuning , you dont always have to have the car in kill mode if you dont want it. Dial it back a bit .

But me personally it was left on kill mode , I cant remember the last time my car actually had no less than 100 octane in the tank , it runs the street as it runs at the track!!

 

you're just looking for an excuse to get that stroker motor.

technically it's not an upgrade if you need it, right?