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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 04:26 PM
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by evremonde
That's what I thought until an instructor drove my car drove my car Your experience may differ.

I agree that they are fun!! Especially laterally offset slaloms with a pinch at the end.
I hate the pinch. I'm more of a power out kinda guy.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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this salt and rain absolutely nackered me windscreen out on the motorway today.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by evremonde
I disagree. Making a car go fast is basically an engineering problem. When to brake, how much throttle, where the apex is ... all of these things are physics problems. With a good simulation and the right inputs, every bit of a fast lap could be calculated with pretty good accuracy.

Can a pro driver do better? Yup. Will an amateur driver do better? Maybe. Will a beginner learn something from the computers choices? Yes.

You have to learn through practice, sitting around pontificating about traction circles wont make you faster. It might over the long term though. One consistent thing I read/hear from fast drivers is that driving is not about feeling, you make a choice about how to control the car. The laws of physics define how the car will behave, why should they not have an effect on your technique?

Basic physics will always be simplified when compared to the real world.
You make a good point. However, a person cannot apply the laws of physics equally and accurately every single time, so your point in the end is still useless. Also, if your point is truly applicable, then an amateur driver arm with this knowledge should be able to take a professional driver any time. Driving is all about feel, not math. Furthermore, the laws of physics are all about stagnant conditions (all else equal)...and reality is conditions are always changing. Not arguing your theory, just the application of it.

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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 08:25 PM
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To add to what chu said i believe the driver must also be in touch with his car and really know its limits. I thought i knew the limits of my car, but after a few spins im back to driving and racing VERY cautiously. Luckily my times are getting better and better, so it seems that not using the go pedal as much is helping. I know when i jump back and forth from the crx to the evo its a different ball game. Applying all of the physics and understanding is super difficult and not always realistic. As marc can probably attest too, we would never brake check and throw the car into a hairpin like we do at LVGP lol.
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:23 AM
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Can someone explain to one of my workers that when melting an #78/77 alloy, you cannot introduce #13 and expect everything to be ok!!! WTH?

Sorry...
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:46 AM
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I've got petrol leaking from me bonnett after I gave me Evo a rogering. It's really quite ponging.
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:47 AM
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hmm
http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=10566
i wonder what a name brand wheel would look like under xray.
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by grillpt
Can someone explain to one of my workers that when melting an #78/77 alloy, you cannot introduce #13 and expect everything to be ok!!! WTH?

Sorry...

what happens if you add #2 to #78/77 alloy?
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:49 AM
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:50 AM
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Dear Marc,

Thanks!

Love,
Chu
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dek0026
what happens if you add #2 to #78/77 alloy?
Probably a fire ball...
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chu
then an amateur driver arm with this knowledge should be able to take a professional driver any time
No they would not. Why? 1) a pro probably has better genetics 2) better training and 3) a better understanding of the principles.

read up on Andretti. He was successful partly because of natural driving talent and years of practice, but also because he was very analytical about the sport. He often knew tricks to setting up a car that no one else was using at the time. (im sure chapman help alot here) I'm pretty that came from an understanding of how the machine worked.

Originally Posted by chu
Not arguing your theory, just the application of it.
Its all a mental excercise and preparation for the task. You need to practice a great deal as driving is all sensory input and motor skills. Those things come with time, but, like any activity, there is an analyticalpart to it.

You have to think about what your doing, its really what is going to separate the men from the boys. Ask any person at the top of their field what their weaknesses are. I bet you'll get a long answer! (if you can get them to be honest).

So if looking at a traction circle does nothing for you, thats ok. Doesn't mean it is a useless idea. Personally I think it can help the thought process. I did apply these things last year and they did help.

Originally Posted by shuttlegoose
I thought i knew the limits of my car
I think 2 of the first 3 F1 champions died in street crashes ... so join the club. (i.e the club is everyone)

I completely understand the beef you guys have with the theory being too simple.

Here is a good question ... As a theory becomes more general, is it more or less correct?
Old Feb 8, 2011 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dek0026
after I gave me Evo a rogering.
from horses to a machine ... your tastes are so ecclectic!!


and have you been reading the wikipedia article on british words since last week?

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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by igo4bmx
hmm
http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=10566
i wonder what a name brand wheel would look like under xray.
bookmarked for future reference



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