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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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velocity has a direction, so it is actually two numbers ( a vector)
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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it is cool, that's what i was talking about earlier. This is one thing i need to improve this year.
Me too. Thats one of many things I need to work on, lol.

It is very cool. when I get it right its like 'woah' and when you don't you know it.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 01:45 PM
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wait ... were you testing me? lol

here is something else to discuss ... what does the traction circle teach us about slaloms?
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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^ be careful what you do with your right foot, lol.

not sure honestly. I f'ing hate slaloms though, they are my nemesis. Give me a dozen chicago boxes any day of the week, but F those slaloms.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 02:05 PM
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one thing I see is that the optimal technique requires a varying speed. As you unwind the wheel for the next transition, your increasing the radius. In order to stay on the edge of the traction circle you need to accelerate a bit.

Likewise as you turn in to the next cone, you need to scrub a little speed.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 02:11 PM
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you have to watch out for the throttle-lift oversteer when you are breathing off the gas pedal to make that next cone!! thats why I always try and stay steady state for slaloms until the last couple cones. I'm usually not at the limit of traction (unless i came in WAY too hot), so I can generally roll into the throttle as I'm straightening out those last few. The only time I'll lift is when the distance between the cones decreases... 9 times out of 10 I'm constant throttle.

i wouldn't take what I said above as a good way to take slaloms... there is a reason why I suck at them, lol.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 02:33 PM
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Hey Alwaysinboost, stop being such
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 02:33 PM
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 02:34 PM
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by evremonde
one thing I see is that the optimal technique requires a varying speed. As you unwind the wheel for the next transition, your increasing the radius. In order to stay on the edge of the traction circle you need to accelerate a bit.

Likewise as you turn in to the next cone, you need to scrub a little speed.

It teaches nothing. Theory is great, but it doesn't apply when there are too much that can influence result.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 03:22 PM
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Hay guys-
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Old Feb 7, 2011 | 03:54 PM
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It teaches nothing. Theory is great, but it doesn't apply when there are too much that can influence result.
I disagree. Making a car go fast is basically an engineering problem. When to brake, how much throttle, where the apex is ... all of these things are physics problems. With a good simulation and the right inputs, every bit of a fast lap could be calculated with pretty good accuracy.

Can a pro driver do better? Yup. Will an amateur driver do better? Maybe. Will a beginner learn something from the computers choices? Yes.

You have to learn through practice, sitting around pontificating about traction circles wont make you faster. It might over the long term though. One consistent thing I read/hear from fast drivers is that driving is not about feeling, you make a choice about how to control the car. The laws of physics define how the car will behave, why should they not have an effect on your technique?

Basic physics will always be simplified when compared to the real world.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
^ be careful what you do with your right foot, lol.

not sure honestly. I f'ing hate slaloms though, they are my nemesis. Give me a dozen chicago boxes any day of the week, but F those slaloms.
I kind of like slaloms. That's the one thing I did well consistently.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 04:13 PM
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I kind of like slaloms. That's the one thing I did well consistently.
That's what I thought until an instructor drove my car drove my car Your experience may differ.

I agree that they are fun!! Especially laterally offset slaloms with a pinch at the end.
Old Feb 7, 2011 | 04:25 PM
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Hey Alwaysinboost, stop being such a handsome guy
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