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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 04:56 PM
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I would be more pissed about them not cross hatching the block, then with #3 rod hitting the block. I mean sure there are other ways to hone a block but I personally would want the crosshatching. Reguardless there is no excuse for that just plain unacceptable.

Edit: my bad eyes didn't see it was crosshatched my bad.

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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 05:00 PM
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I would be more pissed about them not cross hatching the block, then with #3 rod hitting the block. I mean sure there are other ways to hone a block but I personally would want the crosshatching. Reguardless there is no excuse for that just plain unacceptable.
the cross hatching looks fine, no need for a super coarse finish.
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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fwiw the machine shop does not know what is needed to be clearanced until it is assembled unless they have built that exact engine before. I know on the last 2.3 evo engine I built with manley rods the bottom of the cylinders needed to be clearanced for the rods. Now on a dsm 4g63 this is not needed but the main cap webbing needs to be trimmed along with a few spots on the walls of the block
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 03:25 PM
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more stuff updated.. and im officially very angry at JAM. we assembled everything and the block was never notched!!!!!!!!! hopefully jam gives us some $ back for missing such a critical step in the machining process.

What this means is, we finished assembly and rotated it and the rod cap hit the block! .. the 4g64 requires clearancing.. this is just something that was overlooked and shouldn't have been.
I am so pissed that JAM would do that! it was all together and everything! now we have to redue and fix the problem

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I told you they were shady

Good luck getting some $$ back from them. Subscribed for the excuses from them.
i doubt they will give money back because they will think they are not wrong or something or say some bullsh*t bring the motor back and we will fix it.. umm they arnt realizing it cost be $75 round trip in gas and a whole day process. shipping would be 200 easy

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Tom I told you a while ago as well JAM sucked.
i believe you now also!

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Why bad motor? Because JAM.

Seriously, you used JAM and are surprised?
there shop is really nice and customer service was great over the phone so i thought id give them a shot. deff back fired on me tho.

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my customer used jam.. lol. everything else looks good, but ya this is definitely a game breaker. as soon as the crank stopped turning my heart dropped. i knew exactly what it was and told Stephen and he was like no way.. i was like you wanna bet? look for it and you'll see it hitting.

sure as **** it hits on cyl 3.

now they need to compensate me for the time it took to tear it down after we had it all assembled real nice.
yea i am going to tell them the time i wasted bec of there mistake!

Originally Posted by cursedsm
I would be more pissed about them not cross hatching the block, then with #3 rod hitting the block. I mean sure there are other ways to hone a block but I personally would want the crosshatching. Reguardless there is no excuse for that just plain unacceptable.

Edit: my bad eyes didn't see it was crosshatched my bad.
yup i agree and that is what i told Tom when we first saw this. im going to call JAM tomorrow hopefully they will man up and admit it was there mistake and refund me 200-300 for the tear down i had to do, time assembling wasted, and the fact they didnt preform a service i paid for!
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 10:15 AM
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Great write up man and sorry to hear about the machine shop issue. I've got everything except my short block which is on its way now from AWDmotorsports for my 2.4LR build that I’m about to put together and have a couple which questions. 1st off, where do you have to notch the block so the rod cap doesn’t make contact? I need to tell my machine shop so i don’t run into the same problem. Any other issues other than the dipstick, waterpump, timing gears/belt, and choosing the right headgasket that i sould be aware of before diving in? PS, i've built 5+ honda race motors before but this is my 1st mitsu build. Thanks in advance
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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by n2oiroc
while its apart, make sure that the thrust bearings are in the correct way, it seems a few shops have installed them in the wrong way with the oil groove on the block side instead of the crank side.


i made sure to pay attention to the stock block as we were disassembling. ya the notches on them face outward not inward.
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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 12:32 AM
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Great write up man and sorry to hear about the machine shop issue. I've got everything except my short block which is on its way now from AWDmotorsports for my 2.4LR build that I’m about to put together and have a couple which questions. 1st off, where do you have to notch the block so the rod cap doesn’t make contact? I need to tell my machine shop so i don’t run into the same problem. Any other issues other than the dipstick, waterpump, timing gears/belt, and choosing the right headgasket that i sould be aware of before diving in? PS, i've built 5+ honda race motors before but this is my 1st mitsu build. Thanks in advance
I'll get a picture for you when i go up there over the weekend to re-assemble the engine.

for a 2.4 use a cometic HG or a modified OEM.. cometic is what were using though.

You'll be fine then if you've already built honda engines.
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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mxguy1286
fwiw the machine shop does not know what is needed to be clearanced until it is assembled unless they have built that exact engine before. I know on the last 2.3 evo engine I built with manley rods the bottom of the cylinders needed to be clearanced for the rods. Now on a dsm 4g63 this is not needed but the main cap webbing needs to be trimmed along with a few spots on the walls of the block
ya this is true.. they wouldn't know what to notch off unless they assembled it themselves and turned it. its not their fault.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 02:57 AM
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Can you please post picture of where block needs to be notched.
My 2.4 is going to machine shop and I want to make sure this is done.

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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 06:44 PM
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Old Mar 8, 2012 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by catman78
Can you please post picture of where block needs to be notched.
My 2.4 is going to machine shop and I want to make sure this is done.

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a 2.4 block doesnt need notching, it came from the factory with the 100mm crank. with aluminum rods it may need notching, but not with steel rods.
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Old Mar 9, 2012 | 05:56 PM
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Some more pictures of progress. we have assembled the head and the short block is back together again also now after notching was performed.









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Old Mar 15, 2012 | 06:49 PM
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Tnx for the images man, is it running yet? I'm going to notch my own block, there's nothing they are going to do special at the machine shop that I dont have tools for or can't do myself.
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Old Mar 16, 2012 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RjRacing05
Tnx for the images man, is it running yet? I'm going to notch my own block, there's nothing they are going to do special at the machine shop that I dont have tools for or can't do myself.
No problem man. No not running yet. The owner is on vacation, and wont return until Saturday. I will most likely get his car all assembled and running before the end of this month.

Ya its not hard to do. Stephen just used a dremel and did it.. he did a really good job. you don't have to take off as much as he did though in the picture.
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Old Mar 16, 2012 | 05:47 AM
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For the unlearned such as myself, what is the purpose of notching since I also have an uninstalled 2.4LR?
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