New Xede Power Record Tests Limits of Stock MAF
it is there to **** you off everytime you need to get to something in that area. It does serve a purpose sorta..i mean it does guide air toward/in the general direction of the brakes....and it catches socket wrenches that slip out of your hands.
Second, several cars running without it have experienced catastrophic engine failures because they ran over stuff and got kicked up and damaged the oil pan, filter etc and they
had no undertray to protect things.
As an alternative, you can make a new one out of aluminum that is permanently mounted to the bumper via rivets. Then you just pull the bumper off with 4-6 bolts when you need access. It is much easier to take the whole bumper off than the undertray. Doing it in aluminum as the added advantage of strengthening your bumper.
We have done that for several cars for roadracing and it cost around a 60 bucks worth of aluminum sheet(1/8) and a plasma cutter + some rivets. Looks good too
Originally Posted by gt40
Stock one is a pita. The thing is,your car needs it for several reasons. First of all, it will run a lot cooler with it on under track conditions or even on a hot day. Air is forced though the radiator and fmic with one. Without it, the temps I log are 5-8 degrees celsius higher.
Second, several cars running without it have experienced catastrophic engine failures because they ran over stuff and got kicked up and damaged the oil pan, filter etc and they
had no undertray to protect things.
As an alternative, you can make a new one out of aluminum that is permanently mounted to the bumper via rivets. Then you just pull the bumper off with 4-6 bolts when you need access. It is much easier to take the whole bumper off than the undertray. Doing it in aluminum as the added advantage of strengthening your bumper.
We have done that for several cars for roadracing and it cost around a 60 bucks worth of aluminum sheet(1/8) and a plasma cutter + some rivets. Looks good too
Second, several cars running without it have experienced catastrophic engine failures because they ran over stuff and got kicked up and damaged the oil pan, filter etc and they
had no undertray to protect things.
As an alternative, you can make a new one out of aluminum that is permanently mounted to the bumper via rivets. Then you just pull the bumper off with 4-6 bolts when you need access. It is much easier to take the whole bumper off than the undertray. Doing it in aluminum as the added advantage of strengthening your bumper.
We have done that for several cars for roadracing and it cost around a 60 bucks worth of aluminum sheet(1/8) and a plasma cutter + some rivets. Looks good too
you gotta take all the aggravating clips out of the bumer to get it off the undertray.
ive had mine off for a while, just because i had been doing so much work on the car. its about to go back on now tho.
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Originally Posted by MBGSTI
Evotomig my older brother,... high 500's on this TT dyno....
IMHO- 470whp on shivs dyno would be about ~520-530whp on TT's dynojet......using a 12% correction factor that seems to be consistent with mine and smoggy's numbers on both dynos....
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
well hell, i think taking the undertray off is easier than the front bumper.
you gotta take all the aggravating clips out of the bumer to get it off the undertray.
ive had mine off for a while, just because i had been doing so much work on the car. its about to go back on now tho.
you gotta take all the aggravating clips out of the bumer to get it off the undertray.
ive had mine off for a while, just because i had been doing so much work on the car. its about to go back on now tho.
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Originally Posted by gt40
Stock one is a pita. The thing is,your car needs it for several reasons. First of all, it will run a lot cooler with it on under track conditions or even on a hot day. Air is forced though the radiator and fmic with one. Without it, the temps I log are 5-8 degrees celsius higher.
Second, several cars running without it have experienced catastrophic engine failures because they ran over stuff and got kicked up and damaged the oil pan, filter etc and they
had no undertray to protect things.
As an alternative, you can make a new one out of aluminum that is permanently mounted to the bumper via rivets. Then you just pull the bumper off with 4-6 bolts when you need access. It is much easier to take the whole bumper off than the undertray. Doing it in aluminum as the added advantage of strengthening your bumper.
We have done that for several cars for roadracing and it cost around a 60 bucks worth of aluminum sheet(1/8) and a plasma cutter + some rivets. Looks good too
Second, several cars running without it have experienced catastrophic engine failures because they ran over stuff and got kicked up and damaged the oil pan, filter etc and they
had no undertray to protect things.
As an alternative, you can make a new one out of aluminum that is permanently mounted to the bumper via rivets. Then you just pull the bumper off with 4-6 bolts when you need access. It is much easier to take the whole bumper off than the undertray. Doing it in aluminum as the added advantage of strengthening your bumper.
We have done that for several cars for roadracing and it cost around a 60 bucks worth of aluminum sheet(1/8) and a plasma cutter + some rivets. Looks good too
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
yeah, and all the other bolts holding the bumper on. i dunno, i hated removing the bumper...maybe its just me! 
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Congrats Smoggy! Upgrade that fuel system and go run some crazy track times! It is nice to see what can be done with a piggy back and a bunch of stock parts.
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Originally Posted by Drews_WRX
has he dyno'd HIS car @ TT?
IMHO- 470whp on shivs dyno would be about ~520-530whp on TT's dynojet......using a 12% correction factor that seems to be consistent with mine and smoggy's numbers on both dynos....
IMHO- 470whp on shivs dyno would be about ~520-530whp on TT's dynojet......using a 12% correction factor that seems to be consistent with mine and smoggy's numbers on both dynos....
I wonder how low the DD dyno will be reading once its up and going again.....for now the lowest reading dyno haapens to be the Mustang @ Gruppe-S.
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