With the Xlash/Xede Challenge was there any good comparisons to go from. I know most where by the mail Dynoflashes was their anyone who got the basic by the mail Xflash to compare which made more power? Or did all decide to go with all custom tunes. You have to admit though comparing a by the mail flash with a customed tuned Xede or Xflash and you will always make more power. I know there was one custom tuned Evo but it had not been tuned by Dynoflash for the additional mods (Cams, Cam gears, Fuel pump). You did wonders for him I dont think he could have smiled any bigger in fact he was out-side giving joy rides afterwards.

 

Hiya-- Since i was there for custom tuning, every XEDE/XFlash we did was a custom tune. But in all the pre-existing Dynoflash cases that I remember, the first run with the XEDE baseline was considerably stronger than the best run with the Dynoflash. Then it just got better from there. Al is a convincing salesman and is certainly full of passion (among other things). But his excuses, conspiracy theories and shameless mis-truths regarding "competing" products are getting old. Heck, I believe he even got Martin at AMS to tune his own car with a stand-alone ECU that he doesn't even offer to his customers.

Shiv

 

w3rd

 

Brother Shiv speaks the truth! Can I get a witness!?

LOL.

Lemme just say, that if those guys were unhappy or were even not really impressed with Shiv's tuning over the DynoFlash, then I'm sure they wouldn't have had such big smiles on their faces. The one dude with cams was geeking pretty hardcore when he saw the gains. So was the guy that had the stock EVO, he should've been REALLY happy because I think he had the biggest gain of the day. There were no smoke and mirrors, no "heat-soaking" tricks, no correction factor tricks. Heck, Andrew's dyno was even reading lower. Others that had dyno'd their cars before could attest to that.

I understand when people use the argument "well, i paid less for DynoFlash so I got less, but it was still a gain over stock". But for me and my money, what I've learned in the past is buy the best the first time so that you wont have to redo it later. And from what I've seen, that would be Shiv's parts and tuning.

So screw talking about Al, isn't this a Vishnu forum?

 

Since we cannot say anything controversial in that forum, I added as nice a technical post over there as possible. Al's license to lie freely apparently has no boundries.

 

Why the anger?

I had a great time at dyno day. It was great to meet SHIV and other EVO owners.
Noize and others I don't want to argue and think you guys got a great deal with your xedes and I am glad to see people getting there moneys worth.

I know everone is happy with their results from SHIV's tunning and that is all that counts!

Shiv is one of the best tunners and I saw him work his magic
The most impressive part of custom tunes was the sweet power curves that kept going up


Arguing about what tunner is better is no one win situation. It is like Democrats and Repulicans who will never agree.

Peace

Snoop

 

Noize,

When are you going to run your car? I know it is long drive but importshowdown should be fun this weakend.

http://www.importshowdown.com

Peace
Snoop

 

I'm going to run at Beech Bend, because I've run all my cars there. I'd like to see a 12.50@110mph, which should not be a problem if I can get a good 60'. In the past, I ran a 12.90@107 with just an SAFC, test pipe, and muffler delete. At that time, I was 40whp less than my pump gas map is now. I think my goal is fairly conservative; Hopefully we'll see soon.

 

Hi Snoop,
Much of the anger directed towards Al stems from the fact that he's a liar. Consistently and shamelessly. Now he's blaming Dyno Comp for manipulating their dyno in reponse to a Dynoflash customer who didn't made anywhere close to the results that he expected. Earlier that day, he accused me of being unfair with the Dynoflashed cars at the Dynoday despite their being no less than 20 witness present and looking at the dyno screen which was projected up on a screen for everyone to see. He keeps telling the world that the XEDE is dangerous in the way it "manipulates" the factory knock control system. He's spreading another rumor that one of my customers, who dyno'd at 360whp at Turbotrix, is running dangerously excessive timing advance according to the logs he [Al] took. He fails to mention that the OBD-II logs doesn't take into account the timing offsets that are in the XEDE's timing table.

On all these accounts, either he knows he's wrong or has a grossly inadequate understanding of tuning and engine computers. I'm not sure which. But he doesn't care about spreading FUD since it means a fatter wallet and more $199 reflashes to sell. The most shameless comments from him stem from his stance on Dyno tuning. Appearantly, after calling his company "Dynoflash" he realized that avoiding a Dyno like the plague during out-of-state tuning days saves himself money and makes it easier to convince customers that they have more power than they actually do. He mis-cites arguments from Steve Dinan, who is actually an acquantance of mine, claiming that Dyno tuning is a waste of money and that road "tuning" yeilds the best results. Absolute nonesense. Adding insult to injury, he charges people upwards of $500 for this insane road "tuning" concept and claims that he's just an enthusiast looking out for the common man. The list goes on and on but my fingers are now tired as my patience.

Enuff of my ranting...

shiv

 

The truth is coming out everywhere, and it needs to be seen!

 

The guy with the stock EVO and the mail-in dynoflash was happy with Al's product - Cheap, confirmed 20-25whp over stock as advertised, which Andrew's dyno showed

But he a little happier now winning the cheeze-grin of the day award, after he got another 20-25whp with custon tune and xede -

In retrospect though, guess he wasted money on the dynoflash - mail-in dynoflash might be an option in you are REALLY broke or location limits other options - but if you're REALLY broke, you wouldn't have bought an EVO

 

Al making excuses and false accusations? Thats a first.
I love reading how he is trying to explain away the xflash challange with crazy accusations and lies. It really is a good read.

I was there for most of the day Saturday and nothing shaddy went on at Dyno4mance. Andrew and Shiv are very straight forward and honest guys, not that they need me to validate that.

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...8&page=2&pp=15

it won't be long until my post gets deleted. Read it while you can

shiv

 

Shiv I think the only way this would ever be solved is if you and Al started with the Same EVO (call it a stock EVO for ****s and giggles) on the SAME day and using the SAME dyno. First flip a coin to see who goes first, winner chooses. Upload Mail-in Dynoflash or baseline Xede/Xedeflash and dyno. Reflash back to stock and change tuner system, dyno again immediately. Compare results. I have no doubt as to the results, just what Al's excuses would be.

Next, flip a coin again for custom tuning to see who goes first. "road tune" or dyno tune, then flash back to stock, switch and compare results on the dyno. Assuming all this happens on a relatively consistent day temperature wise (to reduce al's excuses as much as possible) and on a third party dyno (remember, you could "manipulate" yours and we all know he couldn't possible figure out any type of fancy, scientific "testing" machine) we might end all this dabble.

I just wish he wouldn't post so much misinformation as I'd imagine alot of the newbies on here without much car experience are being swept away by all the outlandish claims he makes, esp since he has his own forum. Not doubting the newbies intelligence (okay, maybe I am) but it sure would take a lot of searching and reading to discern the truth, and we all know how many people actually search before posting...

 

Shiv,... Why does this happen everytime. I thought the vendor bashing had ended between you two. Anyways I thank you for your response to my post above at the top of the page. You stated that your basic Xede map was making more power than the by the mail Dynoflash tune. Where you able to do any runs before you took off the dynoflash and then after you added the xede base map?