Utah Evos
The only explanation for it is I selected it when I was changing the internal logging settings.
That's the only way it could have got selected, it was fine prior to that run.
We know that they didn't just "magically" disapear, an AEM tech knew exactly what happened, so it makes me wonder how many other people have selected that option and blamed it on a "glitch."
Doesn't really matter, other than the fact you may have gone faster that night
It would be interesting to see what a semi agressive tune would do on your car or my car.
I seem to remember that when John dynoed his car with a wideband he was running dangerously lean. Neither my car nor Zachs have ever seen past low 11:1 AFRs, and as for timing, it just doesn't get much less agressive.
I just think it's silly to say that the AEM hasn't taken a car as far as DSM link therefore DSM link is superior. I'm in no way saying that DSM link isn't a good unit, I think it's probably one of the best "piggy-backs" you can get, and Mike and John have both proved that.
I can't say which is superior because I have almost 0 experience with DSM link. But the AEM simply works, and is by far the best mod i've installed on my car for performance.
That's the only way it could have got selected, it was fine prior to that run.
We know that they didn't just "magically" disapear, an AEM tech knew exactly what happened, so it makes me wonder how many other people have selected that option and blamed it on a "glitch."
Doesn't really matter, other than the fact you may have gone faster that night
It would be interesting to see what a semi agressive tune would do on your car or my car.
I seem to remember that when John dynoed his car with a wideband he was running dangerously lean. Neither my car nor Zachs have ever seen past low 11:1 AFRs, and as for timing, it just doesn't get much less agressive.
I just think it's silly to say that the AEM hasn't taken a car as far as DSM link therefore DSM link is superior. I'm in no way saying that DSM link isn't a good unit, I think it's probably one of the best "piggy-backs" you can get, and Mike and John have both proved that.
I can't say which is superior because I have almost 0 experience with DSM link. But the AEM simply works, and is by far the best mod i've installed on my car for performance.
Rob, read what I wrote buddy. Oh, I'm not sure what's up with the doggie by the way, I'll talk to her tonight about it.
eficker was trying to cut down a system he's probably never used and I was just pointing out some actual facts about it. I wasn't saying it's the greatest, I was just saying that for being so "limited" it is being ran on 9 second street cars just fine. Then I used the AEM's "glitchy" nature to show EVERY system has it's issues.
Futher more, how is DSMLink a piggy back? It's a chipped ECU that reflashes the factory maps.
Lastly, are you saying that if you ran the AEM without a wideband to the point where you maxed out 720cc injectors that you wouldn't run lean? John went lean because he chose to run the car (knowingly) at 120%+ IDC, it had NOTHING to do with the DSMLink and the samething would happen with an AEM.
As much as it troubles me, I damn near bought an AEM though... So don't take what I'm saying in the wrong way. I'm not saying the AEM blows and DSMLink is better, just defending a system that I know works pretty well for the money. Now that the AEM has come down in price, the AEM probably is worth the extra money though.
eficker was trying to cut down a system he's probably never used and I was just pointing out some actual facts about it. I wasn't saying it's the greatest, I was just saying that for being so "limited" it is being ran on 9 second street cars just fine. Then I used the AEM's "glitchy" nature to show EVERY system has it's issues.
Futher more, how is DSMLink a piggy back? It's a chipped ECU that reflashes the factory maps.
Lastly, are you saying that if you ran the AEM without a wideband to the point where you maxed out 720cc injectors that you wouldn't run lean? John went lean because he chose to run the car (knowingly) at 120%+ IDC, it had NOTHING to do with the DSMLink and the samething would happen with an AEM.
As much as it troubles me, I damn near bought an AEM though... So don't take what I'm saying in the wrong way. I'm not saying the AEM blows and DSMLink is better, just defending a system that I know works pretty well for the money. Now that the AEM has come down in price, the AEM probably is worth the extra money though.
Originally Posted by liberty2000rs
The only explanation for it is I selected it when I was changing the internal logging settings.
That's the only way it could have got selected, it was fine prior to that run.
We know that they didn't just "magically" disapear, an AEM tech knew exactly what happened, so it makes me wonder how many other people have selected that option and blamed it on a "glitch."
Doesn't really matter, other than the fact you may have gone faster that night
It would be interesting to see what a semi agressive tune would do on your car or my car.
I seem to remember that when John dynoed his car with a wideband he was running dangerously lean. Neither my car nor Zachs have ever seen past low 11:1 AFRs, and as for timing, it just doesn't get much less agressive.
I just think it's silly to say that the AEM hasn't taken a car as far as DSM link therefore DSM link is superior. I'm in no way saying that DSM link isn't a good unit, I think it's probably one of the best "piggy-backs" you can get, and Mike and John have both proved that.
I can't say which is superior because I have almost 0 experience with DSM link. But the AEM simply works, and is by far the best mod i've installed on my car for performance.
That's the only way it could have got selected, it was fine prior to that run.
We know that they didn't just "magically" disapear, an AEM tech knew exactly what happened, so it makes me wonder how many other people have selected that option and blamed it on a "glitch."
Doesn't really matter, other than the fact you may have gone faster that night
It would be interesting to see what a semi agressive tune would do on your car or my car.
I seem to remember that when John dynoed his car with a wideband he was running dangerously lean. Neither my car nor Zachs have ever seen past low 11:1 AFRs, and as for timing, it just doesn't get much less agressive.
I just think it's silly to say that the AEM hasn't taken a car as far as DSM link therefore DSM link is superior. I'm in no way saying that DSM link isn't a good unit, I think it's probably one of the best "piggy-backs" you can get, and Mike and John have both proved that.
I can't say which is superior because I have almost 0 experience with DSM link. But the AEM simply works, and is by far the best mod i've installed on my car for performance.
rob did a really good job showing me pretty much everything i need to know in about 2 hours of time
hell it's easy now....
In my experience the AEM EMS is definitely not glitchy.
If anyone is interested the small race trailer I tow behind my car is for sale. Details and pic:
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If anyone is interested the small race trailer I tow behind my car is for sale. Details and pic:
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...ic=413921&st=0
Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
eficker was trying to cut down a system he's probably never used and I was just pointing out some actual facts about it. I wasn't saying it's the greatest, I was just saying that for being so "limited" it is being ran on 9 second street cars just fine. Then I used the AEM's "glitchy" nature to show EVERY system has it's issues.
I have not used it on a car, but i have played with the software (I know, not the same thing), and it was unique in the way they handled changing values, but it didn't offer any advantages over ecuflash for our cars. So for the money, i'll stick with ecu flash, and fwiw if i ever go standalone it will be AEM.
Last edited by eficker; Nov 26, 2006 at 07:32 PM.
Originally Posted by eficker
I think i stated that it probably works fine for you or other DSM drivers, i just don't believe it has a future with Evolutions. I know a certain black talon that does just fine on it and put down over 520 awhp on it recently.
I have not used it on a car, but i have played with the software (I know, not the same thing), and it was unique in the way they handled changing values, but it didn't offer any advantages over ecuflash for our cars. So for the money, i'll stick with ecu flash, and fwiw if i ever go standalone it will be AEM.
I have not used it on a car, but i have played with the software (I know, not the same thing), and it was unique in the way they handled changing values, but it didn't offer any advantages over ecuflash for our cars. So for the money, i'll stick with ecu flash, and fwiw if i ever go standalone it will be AEM.
Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
Rob, read what I wrote buddy. Oh, I'm not sure what's up with the doggie by the way, I'll talk to her tonight about it.
eficker was trying to cut down a system he's probably never used and I was just pointing out some actual facts about it. I wasn't saying it's the greatest, I was just saying that for being so "limited" it is being ran on 9 second street cars just fine. Then I used the AEM's "glitchy" nature to show EVERY system has it's issues.
Futher more, how is DSMLink a piggy back? It's a chipped ECU that reflashes the factory maps.
Lastly, are you saying that if you ran the AEM without a wideband to the point where you maxed out 720cc injectors that you wouldn't run lean? John went lean because he chose to run the car (knowingly) at 120%+ IDC, it had NOTHING to do with the DSMLink and the samething would happen with an AEM.
As much as it troubles me, I damn near bought an AEM though... So don't take what I'm saying in the wrong way. I'm not saying the AEM blows and DSMLink is better, just defending a system that I know works pretty well for the money. Now that the AEM has come down in price, the AEM probably is worth the extra money though.
eficker was trying to cut down a system he's probably never used and I was just pointing out some actual facts about it. I wasn't saying it's the greatest, I was just saying that for being so "limited" it is being ran on 9 second street cars just fine. Then I used the AEM's "glitchy" nature to show EVERY system has it's issues.
Futher more, how is DSMLink a piggy back? It's a chipped ECU that reflashes the factory maps.
Lastly, are you saying that if you ran the AEM without a wideband to the point where you maxed out 720cc injectors that you wouldn't run lean? John went lean because he chose to run the car (knowingly) at 120%+ IDC, it had NOTHING to do with the DSMLink and the samething would happen with an AEM.
As much as it troubles me, I damn near bought an AEM though... So don't take what I'm saying in the wrong way. I'm not saying the AEM blows and DSMLink is better, just defending a system that I know works pretty well for the money. Now that the AEM has come down in price, the AEM probably is worth the extra money though.
My point was to state that the evos you refered to were tuned extremely conservatively, and if pushed, would prove to make quite a bit more power. That is all.
P.S. We have a couple more people interested in the dog, give me a call and let me know what you guys are thinking. I'll be happy to keep her around if you think youre going to be able to make it work!!
so you can't compare that......
Originally Posted by liberty2000rs
Weren't those numbers supposed to be kept on the DL, as per request of the car owner????
My apologies to the owner (we're good friends) if that was not supposed to be known.
Originally Posted by silverofs
fyi mike there are no built motor big turbocharged aem using evo's in utah that are worth a **** so you can't compare that......
Hey, sorry, I really didn't mean to come across the wrong way. My thoughts always come out a lot stronger then I mean for them too.
As for DSMLink vs. ECUFlash, well, I already bought my openport cable and have been playing around with ECUFlash software. I got my copy of EVOScan too. So obviously I don't think DSMLink is worth hooking up in an EVO.
As for builds, I'll just be one of those lame GT35R/stock block/big cam cars next year.
It will have a few little things on it to set it out from the normal setups though. Still kind of wondering how these cams I've chosen are going to work with the factory ECU. I might have to go AEM just to get them to idle as I think the MAF signal is going to be way too choppy. But I've gotten cams only a tiny bit smaller to idle on a 2G DSM, so we'll see.
As for DSMLink vs. ECUFlash, well, I already bought my openport cable and have been playing around with ECUFlash software. I got my copy of EVOScan too. So obviously I don't think DSMLink is worth hooking up in an EVO.
As for builds, I'll just be one of those lame GT35R/stock block/big cam cars next year.
It will have a few little things on it to set it out from the normal setups though. Still kind of wondering how these cams I've chosen are going to work with the factory ECU. I might have to go AEM just to get them to idle as I think the MAF signal is going to be way too choppy. But I've gotten cams only a tiny bit smaller to idle on a 2G DSM, so we'll see.