The only trouble that I am having with the access port is the fact that street tunner is not going to be avalible for some time. I am a super Cobb freak and have loved all their products and can't wait for more stuff to come on the market. I think that my tune is fine with the ecu flash and was plenty good to put the smack down on a bunch of Porches' this week end at the track so until i start getting beat or pressured by these guys I have no desire to go for more power. I'll stay with my stuff for now. Spool'n came down to my shop and tunned a TSi on my dyno with DSM Link. I must say that I was impressed at how user friendly it was. An he made great power and the graph was as smooth as a babys... well you get the idea.

 

DSM link, at least the last time i looked at it, was fairly limited. I think it was good for its time, but its time is up.

Stomp, you know we can do just about anything it can do without buying hardware. AEM is sick, and we both know that, but why not see what the stocker can do, if it doesn't do what you want it to, go AEM. You will have to go AEM if you want anti-lag and sophisticated boost control (actually really cool).

MSM, thats good to know. I like how compact and simple that thing is. Yeah, that guy that you sold it to is a bit of a yeahoo.

munoa13: i agree, we dominated, pure and simple. Where was the s2k and the other evo we usually have to worry about? Must have been somewhere in the back...LOL! Waaaaaay back!

Next time, i'm gunning for that TORQ stank that thinks he's hot crap. He passed me the first run, but i didn't feel too bad since i was my first time in a new car and it still took him like 2 laps to actually seal the deal. Bring him on now and when i have my 255's.

 

Have you had any experience or heard anything about the Race Pak G2X? I have one sitting in my garage that I had hoped to try out this year. Never happened, I think they are a type of entry level economic GPS data logger, but are they any good?

 

Yes, I'm familiar with the G2X. I like that they include a display with the unit and that it is fairly portable setup. I downloaded and played with their analysis software ... I didn't like it. If you haven't looked at the software, you should. You can download it and sampel data from their web site.

For the cost of the G2X you can get a Race Technology DL-1 (with no in car display). Analysis and GPS / accelerometer capabilities for the DL-1 are better. In car display will run you $675 though. Both G2X, DL-1 and in fact the MaxQ all support http://trackvision.net for video overlay ... which is slick.

 

I don't need Cobb. There is equal that i have axcess to here.

 

BOMPER, BOO!

Turbo that is being recommended to me for the S2K is the Precision 61/31 Ball turbo. Thoughts? I'll probably finalize the order in the next few days so I can get the install taken care of together with the rest of the winter projects in Dec.

 

The 61mm wheel is a sweet wheel. It should provide some good thick midrange power band, especially mated to a smaller turbine wheel like it is in that combo. Any idea on what housings it comes with and what A/R's they recomend?

Are you running anymore track events this year Mike?

 

No more track events this year.

Not sure what housing. What is A/R? It's the setup that Inline is recommending.

 

A/R (Area/Radius) describes a geometric characteristic of all compressor and turbine housings. Technically, it is defined as:

the inlet (or, for compressor housings, the discharge) cross-sectional area divided by the radius from the turbo centerline to the centroid of that area (see Figure 2.).



Good tech read regarding turbo's in general here:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...o_tech101.html

The A/R can have a big influence on how the tubo spools, and where it makes it's best power. I tighter A/R (smaller number) will typically produce faster spool, but will adversly affect the top end power.

A looser A/R (larger number) will typically increase spool time but will help top end noticeably. The idea is to pick the correct A/R for the desired driving depending on the engine size/VE and turbo charger dimensions. It sounds to me like the company you are buying stuff from is pointing you in the right direction, and I think you will be happy based on what they've recomended so far.

Your car ought to be pretty damn fast on the top end as well with that setup. It will be fun to see run.

Hopefully if the bambino that's on the way doesn't break me, i'll be able to follow you around the track a few times next year.......... all things considered however, the evo may have to go........

 

Thanks for the info. Bambinos come first! You can always just come for a ride.

 

Just to put it into perspective, there is a car running 9.20s on DSMLink and several other street cars WELL into the 9s. I managed some 116mph passes on 91 octane in my last car on the stock block and I tuned another car to 123 mph passes on the stock 7-bolt with DSMLink. I could be wrong, but I think those numbers beat what most of the EVOs with AEMs, built motors, and big turbochargers are doing in Utah (Zack, not talking **** to you, as I'm sure you know the power of DSMLink).

DSMLink has one of the best user interfaces IMO simply because it puts focus on logging over ECU adjustments. Datalogging is far more important then having 10 maps available on screen. But like everything else, it has it's strengths and weakness.

When the AEM can be ran without worry of accidently touching one wrong button and lossing an entire map, or just randomly needing to have the map reloaded because of a glitch, or being able to get good user support, then it will be a bad *** system. But for being on the market for several years, that thing STILL has issues with both the product and the customer support.

Like I said, EVERY system has it's weakness. AEM = glitchy, Motec = BIG cost to "unlock" everything, Autronic = lacks features on the SMC, SM4 is looking good though, piggybacks=lame, DSMlink = MAF based. I just bought the open port cable and Evoscan to reflash my Evo (which is already flashed by Al from the previous owner). Just messing with the software, the interface kind of sucks, but it's ability to access much more of the ECU then say DSMLink is a nice and welcome feature. If somebody blended the interface of DSMLink with the functionality of ECUFlash, they would have one powerful EVO tuning tool. Match it to a decent karman vortex based blow-thru MAF (not some hot wire, translator based junk like the GM MAFT) and it could EASILY support just about any setup.

Oh, none of the ECUFlash on my Evo will be relevent to stock turbo tuning though...got that bottle neck taken care of...now, Jun 272s or Comp Cam 300s. The Juns will make more power, but are they worth the added cost???

 

I agree that every system has its drawbacks. One may be right for some and wrong for others.

To say that this car is running this time on this sw, and its beating other cars (completely different) on this sw or hw makes no sense whatsoever. Glad you did well on DSMLink, i'm sure it works fine for you. I'm sure that other solutions work fine for others, but to get a definitive answer you'd have to take the same car on each solution.

 

I've had an AEM EMS for nearly 4 years. I don't find it to be at all glitchy.

 

Eh, you don't lose the map by simply touching the wrong button, you actually have to select an option in a sub menu of a sub menu. It's actually kind of difficult to do.

As for maps dissapearing, I don't personally know anyone with an AEM who has actually seen this happen. I've heard about it on the web, but you always hear the squeeky wheel, bottom line is everyone who sells as many electronic units as AEM does is going to see some quality issues, that's just the nature of the beast.

Buck is the only person I know who has had problems with the AEM right out of the box. It was definately a noise problem, and it could be attributed to the high power ignition that he had just installed. Needless to say, the shielding on the AEM could, and should be way better.

The one thing that has been proven time and time again is the AEM works, and works well on high hp evo's. I'm sure you could make power with something else, but there is a lot of support with the EVO AEM, and there are so many people using it, answers are easily found.

I guess I should also say that regardless of our AEM vs. Autronic discussions back when I was looking to go standalone, I would not hesitate to choose the AEM again. It has worked great for me.

 

so what do you call it when mine did it when we were at the midnights???

but in all honesty i love my aem and would not change for sure