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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by evobeatsti
yah i want to watch my bad driving skills get me 14 second times
well at least you can admit your a bad driver unlike the rest of the world
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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i think the first test & tune for rmr is pretty soon like 1-2 weeks but it will be a joke as far as people go so i would stay away for atleast a couple weeks i still need some dyno time to tune my race gas map so we will see when or if i get out there very soon......
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 07:09 AM
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I'll go and watch the test and tune keep us up dated Zach when the official date is.
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MSM_S2K
For tracks where we turn, it seems drivers are always wanting to claim the lowest possible number. .
I love that about road racing. Everyone makes like 100 whp and all their speed is attributed to driver skill....LOL!!!!!1 Did i mention that i made 100 awhp at Munoa's last week?

Originally Posted by MSM_S2K
Most club racing groups have liability and responsibility for covering damages to the at fault driver. Operative word there is "club" racing. This is the case with SCCA, NASA and many other clubs. It was the case with MPRA last season. In talking with Mitch on Sat, he mentioned that he has dropped it for MPRA this season. Even if a club has such a rule in place, collecting on the damages is what counts and enforcement is a challenge.

Most are not aware that MPRA policy on this changed from last year. No doc or communication on it anywhere. I think it's a mistake. It's the very early days of club racing at MMP and more emphasis IMO should be put on clean, non-contact racing. Especially with such a wide range of experience levels.
Hmmm, that is interesting. As far as this last weekend is concerned, it seems like hard contact is part of MPRA's M.O. Are they trying to compete with Speed World Challenge? I think the real problem is the politics. Peeps with exec memberships (nothing at all against them) are getting a little better treatment than those without.

Originally Posted by 03whitegsr
<-- Sick, tired and generally pissed off with too much **** going on lately.
Hey, man, its cool if you need to vent. Intellegent conversations can only add to the knowledge shared. The peeps that are getting tired of talking tech are only mad cause they dont understand...LOL! VTECH!!!!

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Simma.

I Rule.

Efick loves to get "rear=ended" by bbbwrx.
Jid2, glad you could show up for your monthly one-liner! You better come down and run at least once. I'll give you the "no wrap your car around a tree" guarantee.
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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I spoke with Jeff Morgan on Mon, guy who rear ended me on track. His willingness to cover damage to my car if it was his fault evaporated. He admits it was a blatant mistake on his part, apologizes profusely; though says he will not cover the damage. It was his first ever race. I'm not sure how many days he has on track, but it's not many.

to dumbass nubs on track.
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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do they require any sort of cetification to race mpra, or can anyone just go out and race?
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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I watched some of the MPRA races on Saturday. I saw the s2k got hit. That sucks. Best of luck. I'm always out there with the bike people.
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MSM_S2K
I spoke with Jeff Morgan on Mon, guy who rear ended me on track. His willingness to cover damage to my car if it was his fault evaporated. He admits it was a blatant mistake on his part, apologizes profusely; though says he will not cover the damage. It was his first ever race. I'm not sure how many days he has on track, but it's not many.

to dumbass nubs on track.
That's BS I’m not sure what I would do if someone did that to me out there. Maybe shoving his helmet so far up his a$$ he would have to pick his nose to get it out. I guess I’ll stick to HPDE events.
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VIIImylunch
do they require any sort of cetification to race mpra, or can anyone just go out and race?
MPRA school is required. Pretty low threshold ... especially, I suspect for people buying expensive Mustang GTs prep'd by MMP.

Anyone know of a good local source for take off parts? Initial contact was a hard hit to the left rear bumper (hard enough to buckle the rear quarter panel), turned me sideways and caught the door through the front bumper.
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 02:16 PM
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That sucks that guy hit you and did damage but I hate to say it, that's part of racing, that's why I race either go karts which are cheap to fix (most of the time) or cars that aren't mine. thanks again skip barber
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kodiak
That's BS I’m not sure what I would do if someone did that to me out there. Maybe shoving his helmet so far up his a$$ he would have to pick his nose to get it out. I guess I’ll stick to HPDE events.
Lol^ Anyone going to try and make the open track day on thursday?
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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has anyone had any experience with robispec. i was going to have him set up my suspension when he was out here on april 24th but i was just reading some horror stories of evos that he has completely screwed up has anyone experianced this??
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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I think it is silly that Christian is telling you what he thinks it would measure on a Dynojet. I say it's silly because Christian knowns damn well you can't compare dyno numbers from different dynos in any realistic manner. Why he's telling you what he thinks it would dyno on a dynojet just seems silly to me because it seems like he's just trying to make you feel better about your numbers. Him saying "over 300 is great" is more understandable though.
I would be happy to answer any questions any of this forum's members may have about how our chassis dyno (a load-based chassis dynamometer) vs. a Dynojet or the like (inertia dynamometer). The principles are very simple to explain and understand IMO. I can go over how it is calibrated, what the static weight of our rollers is set at and why, what variables we can datalog, how much CFM our fan blows, what the parasitic losses of the rollers are, when it was last serviced and certified by Mustang (8 months ago for those who care) etc. The chassis dyno is a tool used in a chassis dyno cell which is set-up to duplicate conditions the vehicle will see while being run by the end user, that is all.

If I had given an estimation of what a client's vehicle could have "put down" on an inertia dyno, it was because the client asked me to. These dynos are very different, one measures torque and calculates horsepower using an RPM pick-up and the other measures HP (as a work unit) based on how quickly the vehicle can accelerate a drum then uses an RPM pick-up to calculate torque. Apples and oranges, although the publics impression is different IMO. As much as I do not like to make this estimate, I cannot say to a client "No"...that usually does not go over well . Being that I have been tuning high performance vehicles, calibrating engine management systems, and operating chassis dynos since I was 18 years old (I am in my 30s now) I feel comfortable enough giving an estimate when asked. I have tuned on Dynojet Inetria Dyno, Dynojet Load Dyno, Superflo, Dyno Dynamics, Bosch, Mustang, Dyna Pack, Land & Sea (Dynomites), etc. before and I have gone to Mustang to teach at their facility as well. Using these various brands of equipment is a common task for me to perform so I am familiar with the advantages and disadvantages of each one.

Understanding how the equipment was engineered to work, how to repair and maintain the equipment, what the equipment should be used for, how to safely operate the equipment, how the EMS you are calibrating works, and having a detailed understanding of the vehicle you are working on is more critical than the "peak numbers" (that are spit out by a computer) that people like to use as measuring sticks.

I hope this does not come off as me or the shop defending ourselves because that is not what this post is about. I wanted to make sure you knew we are normal people who are open to discuss anything you would like about this subject.

Take care,
Christian.

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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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... and yes, I am a tool. :updown
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Ogden area Evos holla. I'll buddy ya. It'd be nice to mob somewhere one of these weekends en masse.



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