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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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well from what I know is that the cam has been made both turbo and N/A, the manifold has also been made also for the turbo we are just waiting for me to get the car back to RPW at the end of this weekend so they can continue with more tuning etc on the Haltech to make that go before they start adding more induction to the car - just playing it safe at the moment as we don't want to be seeing the car detonating on us due to being too keen for results... I would guess if all being equal we should see some results in the next 2 weeks then you will have so many options you won't know which way to look
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 02:09 AM
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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lol that is funny...
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 08:30 AM
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Update for everyone.

The larger bore headers have been semi tested and are final design is being tested now. Initial results are as expected - further top end gains but slight loss of low end torque. Although again, all tests done with complete stock incl air filter air intake system so this will be negated to some degree with a better intake.

We will be marketing two systems of the headers, essentially an auto or Manuel version. Auto models are recomended to use the 1 5/8" header diameter where they have the loss of torque. The Manuel models are recomended to use the 1 3/4" header kits as the have more pickup and can be more aggressivly tuned etc to make mroe use of the larger bore headers.

Ultimatly in all honesty, there is only a very minor variation, that would only be accentuated by larger degrees of mods and tuning, but we feel it best to offer several options to everyone.

We have 5 sets of each being manafactured right now for immediet sales. The test kit for the USA vehicle has been sent out and we are awaiting feedback on that now. That will be done with the 1 5/8" header kit so we can compare it directy with our own test car.

Turbo kit has started big time now. Manifold first prototype has been made and is being fitted onto the car with the Garret GT2537 (370hp ball bearing turbo) and a 350hp water / air barrel intercooler kit.

This will mean we will be able to supply this kit as a complete bolt on kit for future customers with the pre programmed Haltech computer to match. The basic setup will be 6 psi effective boost on stock internals, with the water pump for the water / air intercooler being activated via air tempature and boost level so that its not running all the time. Best of both worlds as it will mean that on a hot day, light cruising the air temps will be maintained even when not on boost. This setup will also allow for those who have the ingenuity, to setup a cooler box with dry ice to make the water/air cooler very very effective.

Will have some photos of this next week.

Meanwhile, larger bore headers, hopefully camshaft and tuning should be completed end of next week with cold air induction just before some drags to get some final N/a results before we then complete the turbo kit.

Been a long time between posts. The computer has taken a lot of time to get calibrated but is finally starting to come together.

Anyway feel free as always to ask more questions. More dyno sheets will be posted up soon.
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 08:34 AM
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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That sounds great. Do you know when the group buy from Accolade is going to start? Also, what size tube is being used for the DP section of this header? I think I heard something about it being 2.5" but I just wanted to double check?
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 05:45 PM
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Thats sounds great glad to hear that things are coming along - the turbo setup for the car is sounding very stealth this should catch alot of people very much unaware... can't wait to see what the car does next saturday at the drags.
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 09:20 PM
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Yes the dump pipe is a 2 1/2" mandrel bent pipe.
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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 05:23 PM
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Okay there is some confusion on the difference between teh auto and manuel model headers.

Both are identical in design, both run the same 2 1/2" diameter mandrel bent flex pipe and both run the exact same length headers.

The only difference is the diameter of the header pipes. The auto models will be a 1 5/8" diameter, the manuels a 1 3/4" diameter.

The reason for the difference is that the smaller diameter promotes faster air movement and increased low down torque, but does not flow quite as well in the top end.

The larger diameter headers require more rpm to get the same effective scavenging effect, but of cuorse can handle higher air flows.

Now with a vehicle which is NOT going to be getting camshafts, or major tuning, be it auto or manuel, the 1 5/8" header kits are the ones we recomend for everyone. Think of them as the semi modded vehicle design.

For the serious modifiers wanting maximun air flow, and it must be a manuel as the auto models unless supercharged, would just not benefit from it, then teh 1 3/4" units are the better option for better flow. The slight reduction of torque is not going to be noticeable due to the manuels not suffering from the troque losses of an auto.

I hope that clears up the confusion over the headers. The manuel cars will of course still benefit from the 1 5/8" design even with serious mods. It is more of a case that we have also made a second design for the extremely serious modder.

But both are 100% interchangeable with each other, so if you buy the 1 5/8" which we will be calling the street design, and you want to upgrade to the race design 1 3/4" unit, then the only thing you have to change is the header only. Bolt and unbolt.
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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 05:37 AM
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I took the Lancer to the track again over the weekend with the much bigger Header installed now from bog stock with nothing done at all to the car it ran a 16.2 @ 137klm with the catback and smaller headers the car ran a 15.7 sec @ 141klm and with the much larger headers and cat back it ran 15.5 sec @ 144klm.

I know these numbers may not seem like a huge increase in times but when looking at what has been to the car which is nothing except exhaust and headers a .700 seconds for this mod is very respectable and an increase in speed of 7klm is also very good.

I did notice that the car felt a bit sluggish in the lower rpm points but was hell quick in the upper in fact almost too quick I found that in third gear I ran out of rpm's before hitting the rev limiter which I did on a number of occassions which may of cost me on alot of runs {guesstimated 0.150 sec} but the interesting thing is when I compare all of my times on spread sheets my 60ft and 330 ft times are very good as well there were improvements the track conditions deteriated very rapidly during the day most because we are coming into winter here so the track was quiet cold for grip - I beleive that RPW are dynoing the car Monday and will post up some more results but it is deffinately going to be suitable for those wanting or have done more air mods as this thing is very thirsty for air - which was another restriction on my times as I have no intake setup apart from factory stock
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 05:54 AM
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Oops nearly forgot to add this which you can make of what you will because I have no idea as to what to make of it.... on the last smaller headers I mentioned that within about 50 or so metres before the end of the run I had to change into 4th gear (due to the lack of rpm points and rev limiter) well this time out I was finding that I was changing into 4th with at least 100mts to go and as I was getting closer to the line thinking if I needed to change to 5th....

I know what you guys are all thinking about this because it just never happens but it did and not just once but everytime I raced... now just imagine what would happen if you had a car with the under pulley on and a cai????
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 08:12 PM
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Im guesstimating it is making 169 whp now
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Old Apr 30, 2006 | 08:57 PM
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Havn't dyno'd it yet going to do it tomorrow. No time todya

But can already tell that these headers have leaned the car out a lot at low rpms, these are a great design, but definitly are going to require retuning to suit them. We will of course show all this on teh dyno graph which will log the air/fuel ratios
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Old May 1, 2006 | 06:53 AM
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^ I can't wait to see the outcome and I really can't wait to get a set put on my car? Are you guys going to offer your cat back through Accolade?

Also, are you going to offer the Haltech for the auto RA as well?

Oh, I forgot to ask, how's the USA fitment going?
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