ROAD/RACE- Cam and Ported Head
Do you guys understand that they probably have to sell at least 10 of either one to make any money? Do you think the R&D is even backed up in their intial offering...No. Who paid for the spare head for testing? Think about the whole picture when accounting for where a price is.
For instance we sell a battery tray/kit that I believe is the best available on the market. It will bolt right in to the Lancer or Ralliart with a Osyessey battery is $269. Even if we have a 10-15% margin on this it still took close to 60 hours for all of the fitment, including time to get the fitment perfect. This does not include material that was wasted and other machine expenses. So it is going to take some time to get this back out of them.
I ask please to put things into perspective. If something is cheap there is a reason behind it. There is a thread in the EVO area about the XSPower/SSAC full turbo back exhaust for $250 shipped. Wow what a deal, although many have bad rattles, they have to take a hammer to certain areas to fit things right and this is not even speaking about the actual quality of the pieces itself. I would rather purchase something once, pay more, and install it and turn my back to it and drive my car away in the sunset.
For instance we sell a battery tray/kit that I believe is the best available on the market. It will bolt right in to the Lancer or Ralliart with a Osyessey battery is $269. Even if we have a 10-15% margin on this it still took close to 60 hours for all of the fitment, including time to get the fitment perfect. This does not include material that was wasted and other machine expenses. So it is going to take some time to get this back out of them.
I ask please to put things into perspective. If something is cheap there is a reason behind it. There is a thread in the EVO area about the XSPower/SSAC full turbo back exhaust for $250 shipped. Wow what a deal, although many have bad rattles, they have to take a hammer to certain areas to fit things right and this is not even speaking about the actual quality of the pieces itself. I would rather purchase something once, pay more, and install it and turn my back to it and drive my car away in the sunset.
Price, by far. there is nothing I could do to waste 1300 on a head or 600 on a cam. These mods are for the guys who can't do anything else at all, or have money to spend without consequence.
I might eventually buy the cam, just because it is offered, but I would never buy the head. I am too hands on to buy something like that to just have it dropped in. Maybe for half the price, but I doubt you guys could feasibly cut the price in half. migueralliart is building a head in the same manner I would go about it, just like I am building my turbo kit.
I might eventually buy the cam, just because it is offered, but I would never buy the head. I am too hands on to buy something like that to just have it dropped in. Maybe for half the price, but I doubt you guys could feasibly cut the price in half. migueralliart is building a head in the same manner I would go about it, just like I am building my turbo kit.
Rob and I seem to be in agreement according to the post directly after mine.
OK then, Cams cost what they cost. As for cylinder head it is not just ported and polished. It is fully machined $300+, decked $60 and complete gasket kit included our cost $250. It starts to get expensive. The porting is done by a professional that ports 40 hours a week and flow benched. Not cheap. It is not someone making $8 and hour dremel. But I understand this stuff is expensive. We have only a couyple cores so we would not want to sell more than 2 a month anyways.
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both of these pieces are very expensive, but they are NOT overpriced. As I stated and Rob has confirmend it would be very difficult for them to come down on the price.
Migueralliarts method of doing this is much less efficient than picking up the phone once and having it arrive at your doorstep. That's why it is so much cheaper, and also while he can have more cake, it takes him longer to cook it (to keep the metaphor rolling
)Like I said, I will probably buy the cam, and if I had the money lying around I would have just bought everything they sell the first time they offered it for sale. I won't buy it right now, and don't plan on buying it for awhile, because I don't have that much discretionary income to blow.
I won't buy the head because I would RATHER do it Migue's way. I like that kind of stuff. I plan on porting my IM myself as well, just because I like to say that I did the work, not someone else. I don't think it is overpriced in any sense, just very expensive. Those are two totally different things and I think maybe everyone has lost sight of this fact.
I speak from personal experience when I say that RRM supplies a good product and will back that product up. That doesn't mean that they won't charge to make a profit though. And like Joe said, try pricing this stuff out. A head job is pretty expensive no matter what car you own
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Last edited by DangerousDan; May 10, 2007 at 07:38 AM.
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Good deal. AS for the MIdget thing,, We mean USAC MIDget Race Cars. They are 380 h.p. N/A all aluminum motors. He charges them $1000 just for porting on those heads. They pay with their eyes closed. IT is expensive and I tell guys that if they have low miles don't do head yet. Wait. But there will come a time where you need to do timing belt etc.... That is the time to MAN UP and do it.
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Last edited by ROCK; May 10, 2007 at 08:15 AM.
I know about midget cars, I guess no one here watches TLC. You know the show Little People Big World.... They sell pumpkins(and a bunch of other stuff) and I am in a goofy mood today. Not meant to offend anyone, I just saw an opportunity to make a funny. People call me skinny whit guy all the time, that's because I am.IF I have the money, and IF I can work some of the labor out with Mitsu, I may buy the cam in 10000 miles. I have a free timing belt and related parts at 60k and want to try and pay the ADDITIONAL labor on the cam install, not the labor for the whole camshaft swap. Let's hope the moon and the sun align with all the planets and mitsu doesn't refuse my offer
In my opinion, and not that it matters, they should be able to subtract the timing belt install labor time from the camshaft install labor time and charge me for the difference.
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OK so people I am not questioning their quality, and needless to say all the people who do the porting use porting tools such as diamond finish tips and stuff , (the dremel is not a good option thou) but anyway, as I said I have bought from RRM before and please don't tell us that they aren't making profit , I know they are (otherwise it wouln't be convenient to have a business) and that's the purpose after all.
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OK so people I am not questioning their quality, and needless to say all the people who do the porting use porting tools such as diamond finish tips and stuff , (the dremel is not a good option thou) but anyway, as I said I have bought from RRM before and please don't tell us that they aren't making profit , I know they are (otherwise it wouln't be convenient to have a business) and that's the purpose after all.
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+1!! i have customers at work all the time who dont think i deserve to make any money off sales are services we give, they negotiate everything. i want to ask them if they negotiate their tab when they go out to dinner too.
back on topic i hope to be home before dark tomorrow. if so ill reshoot that vid
back on topic i hope to be home before dark tomorrow. if so ill reshoot that vid
AND BTW how many people installed the RRM cyl head ?? POST you reviews here!!!
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