The Ultimate 2009 Ralliart Thread mega merge
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Maybe I can pay off my 04 RA enough to get some kind of positive equity upon trade in plus whatever rebates/discounts they are running upon release...
Or I might just wait for a couple used ones to start floating around.. Mitsu depreciation sucks more than.... well you get the point without me being explicit....
All in all sounds like a pretty decent car...
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this just in concept RA and ralliart pics
http://autoshow.autos.msn.com/autosh...mentid=6004096
the concept look SICK!
http://autoshow.autos.msn.com/autosh...mentid=6004096
the concept look SICK!
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Underwhelmed or not, Mitsu now has a car to sell the kids that come in wanting an Evo and cant afford 30,000+.
Yes its not that impressive compared to the Evo (says the article), but Mitsu will sell the crap out of this car. This is the Mitsu answer to the WRX, and the fact that this gen WRX has turned soft, it works even better.
Yes its not that impressive compared to the Evo (says the article), but Mitsu will sell the crap out of this car. This is the Mitsu answer to the WRX, and the fact that this gen WRX has turned soft, it works even better.
the Wrx is about $24,500... This is where the RA should be add navi, sun sound, hid recaro pkg and it should be under $30:... The gsr evo' is $32k base before you add the same pkg's.... Plus is has the cheaper 5 spd tranny ( by price)
I'm hoping to get an RA as a second car, I can't justify having and evo' and gtr... With the gtr being a dual clutch auto I did wish a 5 SPD manual was an option
I'm hoping to get an RA as a second car, I can't justify having and evo' and gtr... With the gtr being a dual clutch auto I did wish a 5 SPD manual was an option
just my 2cents about the lack of a 'manual' options: its still a standard, as has been pointed out. The only thing you lose is a few lbs and the fact that you don't have to engage and disengage the clutch yourself. Sure, you can't mash the gas between shifts now, but a) thats bad for your clutch anyway, and b) these shifts will be so fast, that your engine wont be able to rev fast enough for it to make much of a difference. So thats more time actually delivering power to the wheels. Now look at what you gain: no mis-shifts, no chance of grinding, virtually no lag between gears, consistency, no need to take your hand of the wheel. And in bracket racing, consistency goes a LONG way.
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it
But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.
I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it
But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
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just my 2cents about the lack of a 'manual' options: its still a standard, as has been pointed out. The only thing you lose is a few lbs and the fact that you don't have to engage and disengage the clutch yourself. Sure, you can't mash the gas between shifts now, but a) thats bad for your clutch anyway, and b) these shifts will be so fast, that your engine wont be able to rev fast enough for it to make much of a difference. So thats more time actually delivering power to the wheels. Now look at what you gain: no mis-shifts, no chance of grinding, virtually no lag between gears, consistency, no need to take your hand of the wheel. And in bracket racing, consistency goes a LONG way.
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.
I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it
But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
+1 i agree I dont understand what the big problem will be with having the SST as ur trans
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just my 2cents about the lack of a 'manual' options: its still a standard, as has been pointed out. The only thing you lose is a few lbs and the fact that you don't have to engage and disengage the clutch yourself. Sure, you can't mash the gas between shifts now, but a) thats bad for your clutch anyway, and b) these shifts will be so fast, that your engine wont be able to rev fast enough for it to make much of a difference. So thats more time actually delivering power to the wheels. Now look at what you gain: no mis-shifts, no chance of grinding, virtually no lag between gears, consistency, no need to take your hand of the wheel. And in bracket racing, consistency goes a LONG way.
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.
I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it
But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
I don't need a car to feel like a man and I'm really not worried about "loosing the big race to the guy with the SST." I enjoy diving my "old fashioned" manual and I am disappointed that I will have to forgo such a fundamental aspect of my driving enjoyment if I purchase a 2009 Ralliart.
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just my 2cents about the lack of a 'manual' options: its still a standard, as has been pointed out. The only thing you lose is a few lbs and the fact that you don't have to engage and disengage the clutch yourself. Sure, you can't mash the gas between shifts now, but a) thats bad for your clutch anyway, and b) these shifts will be so fast, that your engine wont be able to rev fast enough for it to make much of a difference. So thats more time actually delivering power to the wheels. Now look at what you gain: no mis-shifts, no chance of grinding, virtually no lag between gears, consistency, no need to take your hand of the wheel. And in bracket racing, consistency goes a LONG way.
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.
I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
Look at what VW did with the DSG. Its difficult for most experienced drivers to launch the a GTI with a manual option and get as good a time as a noob launching the DSG GTI in launch mode. Is DSG actually slower? Yea, maybe for a NHRA driver or other pro, but you and I will be slower in a manual. And even for the pros, the difference will be minimal. But at the end of the day, if you bought a new GTI to be a serious drag car, you're an idiot. The same will go for the 2009 RA. Only exceptions will be for tuner shops trying to put substance behind their product and services.
On the other hand, if you frequent any real road courses, or have a rallycross or autocross club in your area (you know, where these cars belong?), you'll want the SST. The first thing you'll learn in a novice autocross class is 'get to 2nd gear and keep both hands on the wheel the entire lap!'. If you own a manual and haven't tried autocross, try it and I can guarantee you'll take a hand off the wheel a LOT at first and not even realize it
But you probably wont shift... Again, same as the guys with the VW's with DSG. My club at Road Atlanta has several GTI and a few TT owners, and the DSG's almost ways outperform, even with less experienced drivers.I know, SST != DSG. But hasn't mitsu been using the SST in their rally EVO's since well before VW started working on their DSG project? We wont know til we get behind the wheel of one, but I'd be really surprised if its not at least as good. My big questions are if we can turn off traction control, if it'll have a launch mode like the DSG, and how tunable it will be.
I think the only real argument that can be made is the traditional 'i dont feel like a man if i dont have a clutch peddle' argument. Thats cool... as lon as you can feel like a man in 2nd place
and if you are calling a DSG an auto you are ignorant... if thats your point... apparently you need to look into it a bit further cause your mis-informed.
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Hey guys! This is my first time posting here but i've been watching this forum for a long time now. I was wondering if you guys could clear something up for me...
In the press release for the 2009 Lancer Ralliart it states this:
"The dual-clutch gearbox drives all four of the '09 Lancer Ralliart's wheels through an all-wheel-drive system with an active center differential. Just as in the Evo VIII, IX and X, the driver can choose from Tarmac, Gravel and Snow driving modes. Although the Ralliart won't have the Evo X's Active Yaw Control (AYC) feature, it still has a mechanical rear limited-slip differential and a helical LSD up front. "
What i'm wondering is...if there is an eventual Ralliart with a manual option, will it have those options to change the driving mode between Tarmac, Gravel and Snow too, or is that only exclusive to/as a result of the SST?
I am not too familiar with VW's DSG or the SST but from what i've read I know the basic workings of it, so if anybody can fill me in on both and on my question i'd appreciate it. Thanks!
P.S. That's InsideLine's Release on the Ralliart just to clarify...
In the press release for the 2009 Lancer Ralliart it states this:
"The dual-clutch gearbox drives all four of the '09 Lancer Ralliart's wheels through an all-wheel-drive system with an active center differential. Just as in the Evo VIII, IX and X, the driver can choose from Tarmac, Gravel and Snow driving modes. Although the Ralliart won't have the Evo X's Active Yaw Control (AYC) feature, it still has a mechanical rear limited-slip differential and a helical LSD up front. "
What i'm wondering is...if there is an eventual Ralliart with a manual option, will it have those options to change the driving mode between Tarmac, Gravel and Snow too, or is that only exclusive to/as a result of the SST?
I am not too familiar with VW's DSG or the SST but from what i've read I know the basic workings of it, so if anybody can fill me in on both and on my question i'd appreciate it. Thanks!
P.S. That's InsideLine's Release on the Ralliart just to clarify...
yea the mr evo' 8 and 9 had it....
The SST is fine I guess , its more a "fun " thing
I'm buying a GTR and they are only dual clutch... So the manual would be nice change if I get this as a second car.. But at least this way my wife can drive it and leave my gtr alone
The SST is fine I guess , its more a "fun " thing
I'm buying a GTR and they are only dual clutch... So the manual would be nice change if I get this as a second car.. But at least this way my wife can drive it and leave my gtr alone