this is the way the 04 ra should have been made , i would buy this one but i still love my 04 ra ,

 

What percentage of evo owners here haven't changed cams in thier evo? Plus there will be a market for evo owners that upgrade... Sell the stockers to a RA owner. So that doesn't matter at all in my book. Turbo and intercooler is the same deal. The ECU could be an issue, but that also will have to deal with boost so why would you have to go to an aftermarket EMS? Hell, we don't know if the Evo X ecu is as good as the evo IX yet!

The only thing that would really set it back is if the internals (crank, rods, pistons, etc.) are not the same as the evo's. I really hope mitsu isn't stupid enough to put a turbo on a car that is meant to be N/A.

People knock the different handling between the Evo X and new RA. Has anyone here seen the new evo oversteer yet? Thats right.... It pretty much can't due to the AYC. How many people love to kick out the rear of thier evo VIII or IX? I know I do!!!!

As soon as it is humanly possible I will be looking at the mitsu parts list for the ralliart and if the internals are the same as the Evo X I will drive home with a new RA.

 

Um this one can. It dosen't seem to have any problems in the oversteer department.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1390022262

 

I think HKS is the only company making an aftermarket cam for the 4b11, and they are only doing exhaust-side cams. Therefore, there are no spare intake-side cams to buy off upgraded X owners. So it is your intention to use the stock RA intake cam, and an evo X exhaust cam? I really don't think that a good idea Also, given the X are so new, I hope your willing to wait. edit: HKS only makes cams for the IX, which uses the 4g63. So your SOL either way

Consider the number of RA that mitsu is hoping to sell vs the average number of evos that sell. There will be more RA's on the road if things go their way. If they can cut their cost of each car by $500 by using parts adequate for the RA's power, but cheaper than the EVO's, they will. And its not just internals, and its not just about saving money. IE: fuel pump, fuel rail, injectors, plugs, valves, springs... heck it probably runs a smaller diameter exhaust piping all the way.

there is no reason to want excessive oversteer. All your doing is losing extra speed through your turn, and losing traction on the exit. a bit of oversteer can help when overtaking, but if your 'kicking the back out', your just being wreckless. but besides that, i'd suggest you watch rising sun's video looks pretty easy to me, and very controlled, which is what you want.

Trust me, its NOT going to be as simple as swapping a few parts. Like I said, add ***everything*** up. If you want an evo, just buy an evo.

 

first, thanks blk-majik for sort of answering my question indirectly by pointing to the issues of only front to rear power distribution in the ralliart as opposed to side to side, etc available in the evo.

However i must disagree with some of your points in the latest post. Yes, maybe HKS is the only one making an exhaust cam for the 4B11 NOW, but how about in 6 months? think of some of the parts that are STILL being released for the VIII and IX years down the road. Not to mention that the 4B11 is 'supposed' to be the new "world motor" which will be adapted by many manufacturers and thus should provide a much larger aftermarket selection. So availability of stock evo x parts will be good since the aftermarket will also be high.

And how expensive is it to replace a turbo, cams and intercooler? almost nothing. doing the 16g setup on my n/a lancer (since i live in Canada) turned out to be fairly cheap: $250 for 3" ss intercooler with ss piping etc, $200 for a stock evo viii 16g which came with all the stock piping and recirc valve, $95 for a complete 16g rebuild kit (because i play things on the safe side). most of the other parts I had to buy are irrelevent when comparing the evo x to the new ralliart since it will use the same engine and already be turbo, so you can bet on a similar if not exact match to the turbo manifold, head, etc. and smaller exhaust piping, who cares? stock evo viii exhausts are like $100 all day, or like my lancer, $300 for a full 1/2" increase in diameter over stock with ss piping and mandrel bends in a catback. fuelpumps are dirt cheap, less than $100 for a Walbro 255. so, we're at what like less than $1k for an upgrade to a full evo system from the ralliart?

I expect that internals will really only differ between the lancer series and the ralliart/evo series, since the turbo makes the difference really. most turbos like a 7.5:1 - 8.5:1 compression ratio, so i doubt mitsu would change internals just because the ralliart output will be less; that's all done with the smaller turbo.

as for the cost of parts, it is WAY more expensive for mitsu to design/engineer/machine an entire new set of internals for 1 production vehicle (albeit one that may become the most popular and thus have highest sales) than it would be to use the same components from the evo in the less expensive version deamed ralliart. the preproduction costs in parts is much higher than production, so why would they go to the bother and expense of putting completely different internals in the ralliart when they already have the smaller turbo and intercooler to do the same job of providing less power?

 

i am going to the philadelphia international auto show tomarrow does anyone know if the ralliart is supposed to be there?

 

Toyota just updated their site with the new '09 Corolla. I configured an XRS with automatic transmission and it came out to around 22.5k. I think that price is a little absurd. It costs about as much as a Civic Si Sedan! For around 3k more a person can buy a Ralliart that's loaded with so much more. Is 3k a lot of money when it comes to cars? For me, it'd mean living off of ramen for 2 extra months - a price I'm very willing to put up with.

 

Crash, your putting a lot of stocking into assumptions and hopes. i made that mistake with the last ralliart.

i own the car with the real original 'world motor' from mitsu: the 2004 Ralliart with the 4g69. We were told dozens of manufactures would use it, and the aftermarket would be enormous. I think I can count all the cars actually sold with the 'world' engine on one hand, and 3 are from mitsu. and it has a crap aftermarket, virtually dead now. Don't let the marketing line sucker you in. I dont know of any other rmanufactures who have gone to production with the 4b11 besides Mitsu. While that may change, I wouldn't bet on it. I did before and I lost

Mitsu designed the 4b11. they engineered it from the start. I have a feeling that the parts in the Evo X are not the only ones they did experimentation on. I'm sure they researched cheaper parts before settling on what has been released. So the r&d has pretty much been done. The fact that they did use a different cam, turbo and intercooler proves that. Theres not much cost savings there, and in doing that development, I'm pretty sure they considered the rest of the engine and other subsystems. After all, if the RA isnt both a) cheaper than the WRX, and b) faster than the WRX, then its a total failure. Cutting costs is a huge for this product, as its competing against a product thats been on the market for years.

And your NA lancer turbo isn't quite the same. You used Evo VIII parts. There are more evo owners than NA lancers owners who are into performance (its not really a performance platform... again, I also owned a 2002 ES). So you have a heavy supply of VIII leftovers vs a low demand from NA lancer owners. Given the RA should sell like hotcakes and it IS a performance platform, you'll have a high demand. But, theres gonna be a buildup of time before the X even has aftermarket options, then more time before enough people upgrade to said options and sell their stockers. Supply vs demand... dont bank on finding such good deals this time around unless you plan on waiting until the next gen RA and Evo XI are available.

Not trying to rain on the parade, but the RA with all the options to bring it close to the evo will probably run up towards $30k and you still got a lot to spend and a lot to pray for. The evo is only $33k and you get SO much more. So I repeat, if you want an evo, plan on buying an evo.

 

The car has barely been released on the east coast. Aftermarket parts need time for development. By the time the RA comes out there will be options.

You are talking to someone who owns a Evo 9 MR with an extensive mod list. I don't think you could name one thing comparing the RA and Evo X that I haven't changed on my current Evo.


If I wanted a track car I would buy an elise. I want a car that my wife and kids can ride in, but also have fun in when I am by myself.

My mod list would be the same if I bought an Evo X or a new RA. (pending on the parts the RA is released with) So why spend the extra on the evo when I will practically have the same car in the end.

Another possible issue with the ralliart vs. Evo X parts are frame/sub-frame. I know first hand of e36 325 vs. M3 frame/sub-frame issues due to owning both in the past.

What the whole thing boils down to is the Ralliart has not been released yet so no one can give positive answers on if the RA will be worth it or not. IMO though, the ralliart is looking like a winner in my book. Only time will tell.

 

I've seen a grand total of ONE 2008 WRX, no STIs, and maybe a handful of base cars. The Impreza line is a major dissapointment so far, at least in my eyes. I don't even know that the Ralliart needs to be better to sell decently.

 

looks pretty :P for 30g's not a bad buy imo

 

We already have a precedence to follow. Look at Subaru. We know that their marketing structure is successful and now Mitsubishi is following it as they should have years ago. If someone wanted to make an STi out of a WRX, they probably could, but most people just pony up an buy the STi and have it awesome out of the box WITH a warranty. The Ralliart is Evolution LITE for those want a little more edge, but not quite the payment and insurance. Most people will get the Lancer, fewer will get the Ralliart and the fewest will get the Evo. That's the structure Subaru aims for and now Mitsubishi is going for it.

Everyone would like to have an Evo, but in the end it comes down to what you can afford and needs vs. wants. A car is already a poor investment and a more expensive performance car is even worse. BUT there are those who want more. You can satisfy this need with more trims levels for a higher price. The gap between the Previous gen Lancer and the Evo was too great and this sent many to look at other options like Subaru.

And let's face it, the previous gen lancer and Ralliart were hugely unsuccessful. IMO they were awful. They needed to make the lancer more like the Evo, but without the price tag. They also needed to make the Ralliart actually worthwhile but not quite the Evo. And the Evo needed to lead the way with some sweet tech advances to get up some hype. Well, we got it.

We are enthusiasts and sometimes it's hard to see a non-enthusiast perspective. To most people an Evo is still a Lancer. Most people will pick a G35 over an Evo. Most Americans choose automatic over stick. I don't understand it, but it's a fact. Give the most people you can what they want and they will give you money.

Mitsubishi needs to make money. Following Subaru's formula is a good start.

 

Any updates or new pics?

 

Nope. It feels like an eternity waiting for new bits of info to leak out. (well not really, but still...)

 

no it does i just want2 hear offic hp and torq and base price and option prices